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Undo move possible - in fact no interception after surface pursuit maybe carrier pursuit
Posted: Sun Mar 10, 2024 11:19 am
by ncc1701e
I have reproduced what I think is very strange. But I am seeing this only in PBEM not in hotseat.
I am puzzled by this one.
So, here is the starting situation. I am the US player. My PBEM opponent is the Japanese player. The previous turn he has done a
Surface Pursuit against my subs near Wake island.
I have checked several times in hotseat mode. You can do a
Surface Pursuit only if you are in
Fleet mode.
Raider mode won't work.
- Surface Pursuit 1.JPG (82.82 KiB) Viewed 1537 times
Re: Undo move possible - in fact no interception after surface pursuit maybe carrier pursuit
Posted: Sun Mar 10, 2024 11:22 am
by ncc1701e
So this stack of DD are in
Fleet mode. During my next US turn, my subs are retreating.
- Surface Pursuit 2.JPG (32.52 KiB) Viewed 1533 times
Re: Undo move possible - in fact no interception after surface pursuit maybe carrier pursuit
Posted: Sun Mar 10, 2024 11:24 am
by ncc1701e
But, from Pearl Harbor, I have a stack of naval units ready to perform a
Carrier pursuit since there are two CVL inside the task force. Please note that this US naval stack is in
Raider mode.
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Re: Undo move possible - in fact no interception after surface pursuit maybe carrier pursuit
Posted: Sun Mar 10, 2024 11:26 am
by ncc1701e
I can retry several times the Japanese interception attempt by doing Undo move and moving back the US naval stack in
Raider mode. Never the Japanese fleet will trigger a naval interception. However, we know that this Japanese fleet is in
Fleet mode.
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Re: Undo move possible - in fact no interception after surface pursuit maybe carrier pursuit
Posted: Sun Mar 10, 2024 11:30 am
by ncc1701e
However, if I am doing the same move in
Fleet mode. Then, the
Carrier pursuit is done. But this is the
Carrier pursuit of my US naval stack. There is no Japanese interception like in hotseat mode.
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Re: Undo move possible - in fact no interception after surface pursuit maybe carrier pursuit
Posted: Sun Mar 10, 2024 11:40 am
by ncc1701e
Now, to compare, let's see what is going on in hotseat mode. I am reproducing the initial situation. I have two subs next to Canton island in
Raider mode.
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Re: Undo move possible - in fact no interception after surface pursuit maybe carrier pursuit
Posted: Sun Mar 10, 2024 11:41 am
by ncc1701e
With the US, I am bringing a fleet in
Raider mode. Nothing is happening since the subs are also in
Raider mode. This is perfectly normal and I can undo my move.
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Re: Undo move possible - in fact no interception after surface pursuit maybe carrier pursuit
Posted: Sun Mar 10, 2024 11:43 am
by ncc1701e
Now, I am coming back in
Fleet mode. And here, the US is triggering a
Surface pursuit. This is working.
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Re: Undo move possible - in fact no interception after surface pursuit maybe carrier pursuit
Posted: Sun Mar 10, 2024 11:44 am
by ncc1701e
Going to the Japanese turn, I know the US naval stack is in
Fleet mode.
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Re: Undo move possible - in fact no interception after surface pursuit maybe carrier pursuit
Posted: Sun Mar 10, 2024 11:46 am
by ncc1701e
I am bringing a task force of 1 CA and 3 DD to engage the US task force. Please note that this Japanese task force is in
Raider mode and not
Fleet mode.
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Re: Undo move possible - in fact no interception after surface pursuit maybe carrier pursuit
Posted: Sun Mar 10, 2024 11:50 am
by ncc1701e
And here it is, the Japanese task force is intercepted. The US naval stack has performed a
Surface Interdiction.
Thus, the
Japanese task force is unable to perform an undo move. So, why did it not happen in my PBEM above? And why is it happening in hotseat?
I wonder if this is because I am Japanese to try to reproduce and not US. I will retry as US player in few hours to see.
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Re: Undo move possible - in fact no interception after surface pursuit maybe carrier pursuit
Posted: Sun Mar 10, 2024 1:21 pm
by ncc1701e
Similar case in hotseat mode with the US subs in Raider mode this time.
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Re: Undo move possible - in fact no interception after surface pursuit maybe carrier pursuit
Posted: Sun Mar 10, 2024 1:23 pm
by ncc1701e
Surface pursuit is done by the Japanese player only because the task force is in
Fleet mode.
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Re: Undo move possible - in fact no interception after surface pursuit maybe carrier pursuit
Posted: Sun Mar 10, 2024 1:25 pm
by ncc1701e
If I am sending US task force in
Raider mode or in
Fleet mode, a
Surface Interdiction is triggered each time by the Japanese task force.
So, why is it not working the same in PBEM? If someone is willing to help to reproduce in PBEM, ping me.
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Re: Undo move possible - in fact no interception after surface pursuit maybe carrier pursuit
Posted: Mon Mar 11, 2024 12:06 pm
by AlvaroSousa
It's the same mechanism. Only thing I can think of is some flag is lost on email I missed.
Re: Undo move possible - in fact no interception after surface pursuit maybe carrier pursuit
Posted: Mon Mar 11, 2024 9:51 pm
by ncc1701e
AlvaroSousa wrote: Mon Mar 11, 2024 12:06 pm
It's the same mechanism. Only thing I can think of is some flag is lost on email I missed.
Looks like it works during one other PBEM test. Maybe a false issue. I don't know.
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