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According to the strategy guide:

"Once both Indochina and Hong Kong are in Axis hands, there is a 50% chance per turn of Thai-
land joining the Axis."

In several games now I have fulfilled those conditions for literal years without them joining. I even tried putting units in Hanoi and Hong Kong just to be sure.
Is the above info from the strategy guide outdated / incomplete or did I run into some sort of bug?

I've previously had games where Thailand joined the Axis but I typically just invade it now. Keeps things simpler.

So it might be recent bug or you've been consistently unlucky.

There are two War Entry scripts, pasted below for reference.

Indochina has to either have surrendered to the Axis, or have joined the Axis. Hong Kong has to be Allied and surrendered, and Japan has to be Axis and not surrendered.

That's pretty much it but the 50% chance per turn does not guarantee it happening - although the chances after 'umpteen turns of it not happening if the other conditions are met are negligible.


;REMOVE1942
; Thailand War Entry:
; Historical date of event was 1942/01/25
{
#NAME= Thailand Joins Axis Alliance (Variable)
#POPUP= <<TAG_31>>
#IMAGE=
#SOUND=
#FLAG= 1
#TYPE= 1
#AI= 0
#LEVEL= 0
#GV= 1[1,100]
#LINK= 0[0]
#COUNTRY_ID= 107
;Set Thailand to have a random/variable war entry
#TRIGGER= 50
#ALIGNMENT= 1
#DATE= 1939/09/01
;Set variable conditions:
;1st Line - Indochina politically aligned with Allies and surrendered AND
;2nd Line - Japan politically aligned with Axis and not surrendered AND
;3rd Line - Hong Kong politically aligned with Allies and surrendered
#VARIABLE_CONDITION= 55 [2] [100] [1]
#VARIABLE_CONDITION= 60 [1] [100] [0]
#VARIABLE_CONDITION= 51 [2] [100] [1]
}

;REMOVE1942
; Thailand War Entry:
; Historical date of event was 1942/01/25
{
#NAME= Thailand Joins Axis Alliance (Variable)
#POPUP= <<TAG_31>>
#IMAGE=
#SOUND=
#FLAG= 1
#TYPE= 1
#AI= 0
#LEVEL= 0
#GV= 1[1,100]
#LINK= 0[0]
#COUNTRY_ID= 107
;Set Thailand to have a random/variable war entry
#TRIGGER= 50
#ALIGNMENT= 1
#DATE= 1939/09/01
;Set variable conditions:
;1st Line - Indochina politically aligned with Axis and not surrendered
;2nd Line - Japan politically aligned with Axis and not surrendered AND
;3rd Line - Hong Kong politically aligned with Allies and surrendered
#VARIABLE_CONDITION= 55 [1] [100] [0]
#VARIABLE_CONDITION= 60 [1] [100] [0]
#VARIABLE_CONDITION= 51 [2] [100] [1]
}

I've always had Thailand flip

I've always had Thailand join Japan also...after Indochina and then taking Hong Kong as soon as Japan enters the war against the US and Britain.

Very odd. In my current game it's late summer 43, so I've been waiting ~20 turns for one night in Bangkok to make the world my oyster...
There's a 0.000095 % chance for that, but still. It is however not important to the result of the game, just kind of vexing.

I set my games to historical joining to avoid this issue.

Bavre wrote: Wed Mar 13, 2024 4:16 pm Very odd. In my current game it's late summer 43, so I've been waiting ~20 turns for one night in Bangkok to make the world my oyster...
There's a 0.000095 % chance for that, but still. It is however not important to the result of the game, just kind of vexing.

One night in Bangkok indeed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBu-ewMRhkA

Bangkok, Oriental City
But the city don't know what the city is getting
The creme de la creme of the chess world
In a show with everything but Yul Brenner

Time flies, doesn't seem a minute
Since the Tirolean spa had the chess boards in it
All changed, don't you know that when you
Play at this level there's no ordinary venue

It's Iceland, or the Philippines, or Hastings
Or, or this place

One night in Bangkok and the world's your oyster
The bars are temples but their pearls ain't free
You'll find a god in every golden cloister
And if you're lucky, then the god's a she
I can feel an angel sliding up to me

One town's very like another
When your head's down over your pieces, brother

(It's a drag, it's a bore, it's really such a pity
To be looking at the board
Not looking at the city)

Whattaya mean?
You've seen one crowded, polluted, stinking town

(Tea, girls, warm and sweet, sweet
Some are set up in the Somerset Maugham suite)

Get Thai'd, you're talking to a tourist
Whose every move's among the purest
I get my kicks above the waistline, sunshine

One night in Bangkok makes a hard man humble
Not much between despair and ecstasy
One night in Bangkok and the tough guys tumble
Can't be too careful with your company
I can feel the Devil walking next to me

Siam's gonna be the witness
To the ultimate test of cerebral fitness
This grips me more than would a muddy old river
Or reclining Buddha

Thank God I'm only watching the Game, controlling it.

I don't see you guys raging
The kind of mating I'm contemplating
I'd let you watch, I would invite you
But the queens we use would not excite you

So, you better go back to your bars, your temples
Your massage parlors

One night in Bangkok and the world's your oyster
The bars are temples but their pearls ain't free
You'll find a god in every golden cloister
A little flesh, a little history
I can feel an angel sliding up to me

One night in Bangkok makes a hard man humble
Not much between despair and ecstasy
One night in Bangkok and the tough guys tumble
Can't be too careful with your company
I can feel the Devil walking next to me

-Murray Head Band

if you dont declare war on thailand the day of Pearl Harbour but you have an amphibious for next day, thailand will join Japan (not axis)

Thailand wants tojoin japan and gives two or 3 units the day after PH, thats the reason why there is a message when japan declares war to thailand, thailand wants to join japan but not with a declaration of war. (not sure if i expalin well,, The AI wants to join thailand on japan but on peace. (the day after PH)

Echo and the Bunnymen, Bomber's Bay:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2LOx4zKTcE

The word went round
In no dream town
They shut us up
And the shutters down
The planes flew in
And laid the ground
We built upon
And spun around
God's one miracle
Lost in circles

On the march
Berlin to Bomber's Bay
Traveling dark
On the road to Mandalay

Cannon fire
Came to call
Stood us up
And watched us fall
The way we were
And now outworn
Our costumes changed
To uniforms
Black black days
Here to stay

On the march
Madrid to Bomber's Bay
Traveling dark
On the road to Mandalay

Blitzkrieg Bop - The Ramones
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQDPx_k66w4

One Night in Bangcock, yes, 80s Bubble Gum music, like opening a pack of Topps Baseball cards.

How about this little gem, tad more haunting & real.
Remember the clock photo poster?
Neighbor kid had this on Vinyl.
Stalin didn't believe the Bomb at first.
I'm leaning the Japs weren't doubting Thomas

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFeHMmJGb0Q

There's a shadow of a man at Hiroshima
Where he passed the moon
In a wonderland at Hiroshima
'Neath the August moon
And the world remembers his face
Remembers the place was
Here
Fly metal bird to Hiroshima
And away your load
Speak the magic word to Hiroshima
Let the sky explode
And the world remembers his name
Remembers the flame was
Hiroshima
And the world remembers his name
Remembers the flame was
Hiroshima
Hiroshima
Hiroshima
Hiroshima
Hiroshima

Ummm not sure what Hiroshima has to do with Thailand? Off Topic! Off Topic!
Btw cool tune. Never heard it before.

The only reason I posted a link to 'One Night in Bangkok' is because Bavre slyly inserted this into in one of his comments above: copy> 'so I've been waiting ~20 turns for one night in Bangkok to make the world my oyster...<end copy.
Welp since I made my bones in the 80's including Thailand and recognized the lyrics to this 'New Wave' song 'One Night in Bangkok', I posted out of good humor and a nod to Bavre and his joke.
Also, this song has references to chess and games in general..including mates and rage quitting.

The Devil is always walking besides us.............
Isn't life a cosmic game anyways Sunshine?

A Simple Game-The Moody Blues: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhZKkh9OkVc

Wait a minute, my LP ( in search of a lost chord) has a blue background!