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Greco-Turkish confrontation Scenario
Posted: Mon Jun 17, 2024 8:10 pm
by FellingerXZ
For the last few days ive been developing a scenario that is about a Greeko-Turkish confrontation in Thrace, and ive come to a realization. In case the greeks are cut from the south could they just withdraw to Bulgarian territory and redeploy somewhere else?, or is there some convicing arguement for why they probably wouldnt let them.
Re: Greco-Turkish confrontation Scenario
Posted: Mon Jun 17, 2024 11:17 pm
by rhinobones
Since your scenario involves three NATO countries (I assume this is a modern day scenario) and it’s hypothetical, you’re pretty much free to do anything that you think makes a good scenario. I define “good” as a scenario which is both enjoyable to play and presents a challenging military problem. I suggest you consider doing some of the following:
1) Place a Bulgaria-Greece border (Zone 1) that cannot be crossed. The border can only be opened by the Greeks using a Theater Option to request passage. There will be a X% chance that Bulgaria will open the border, and Y% chance the border remains closed.
2) As desired Zone 1 can be check points opened for crossing and Zone 2 permanent borders where crossing is not permitted.
3) If the border is opened and Türkiye enters Bulgaria at a designated crossing point, there is an event with Z% chance that Bulgaria mobilizes and Zone 2 automatically opens.
4) If Bulgaria mobilizes there is an event with XX% chance that Türkiye receives additional reserves and/or support from another country (maybe Iran, Russia, Chechnya or Syria).
5) Build “Ranges” into the events so the outcome is undetermined for a few turns.
Hope this helps. We look forward to seeing your scenario.
Regards, RhinoBones
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Re: Greco-Turkish confrontation Scenario
Posted: Tue Jun 18, 2024 10:38 am
by FellingerXZ
rhinobones wrote: Mon Jun 17, 2024 11:17 pm
Since your scenario involves three NATO countries (I assume this is a modern day scenario) and it’s hypothetical, you’re pretty much free to do anything that you think makes a good scenario. I define “good” as a scenario which is both enjoyable to play and presents a challenging military problem. I suggest you consider doing some of the following:
1) Place a Bulgaria-Greece border (Zone 1) that cannot be crossed. The border can only be opened by the Greeks using a Theater Option to request passage. There will be a X% chance that Bulgaria will open the border, and Y% chance the border remains closed.
2) As desired Zone 1 can be check points opened for crossing and Zone 2 permanent borders where crossing is not permitted.
3) If the border is opened and Türkiye enters Bulgaria at a designated crossing point, there is an event with Z% chance that Bulgaria mobilizes and Zone 2 automatically opens.
4) If Bulgaria mobilizes there is an event with XX% chance that Türkiye receives additional reserves and/or support from another country (maybe Iran, Russia, Chechnya or Syria).
5) Build “Ranges” into the events so the outcome is undetermined for a few turns.
Hope this helps. We look forward to seeing your scenario.
Regards, RhinoBones
New Scenario.JPG
Yeah all of this sounds fair, however im worried that there would be trouble with the PO to implement it and perhaps work only in PBEM or a player that is greece. I've also got 2nd thought, is there a way to make hexes that one side can cross but the other cant?.
Re: Greco-Turkish confrontation Scenario
Posted: Tue Jun 18, 2024 11:48 am
by Cpl GAC
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Re: Greco-Turkish confrontation Scenario
Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2024 5:19 pm
by LOK32MK
You may try major escarpment facing the right way. But some units will still be able to cross.
To answer your original question: It is doubtful that Bulgaria would get ever involved in a Greco-Turkish conflict and will probably not allow any troops crossing its border. Of course, if those troops are prepared to fight their way through Bulgaria that raises a different set of geo-political questions.
Re: Greco-Turkish confrontation Scenario
Posted: Sat Jun 22, 2024 6:50 pm
by FellingerXZ
LOK32MK wrote: Thu Jun 20, 2024 5:19 pm
You may try major escarpment facing the right way. But some units will still be able to cross.
To answer your original question: It is doubtful that Bulgaria would get ever involved in a Greco-Turkish conflict and will probably not allow any troops crossing its border. Of course, if those troops are prepared to fight their way through Bulgaria that raises a different set of geo-political questions.
It very well depends on what party leads the Bulgarian government, also in the worst-case scenario I think Greek units will trespass the Bulgarian border to get somewhere safe, BTW do you mind the fact my OOB is heavily based on your latest scenario, Yours were pretty accurate when I verified them, although I'm kinda skeptical about the readiness and proficiency of the Mechanized formations.
Re: Greco-Turkish confrontation Scenario
Posted: Sun Jun 23, 2024 5:33 pm
by LOK32MK
Remember my OOB is based on 2012 data. The current OOB is different. The Greek army went through a reorganization recently. Also, the equipment holdings for all branches are quite different.
Re: Greco-Turkish confrontation Scenario
Posted: Sun Jun 23, 2024 8:58 pm
by FellingerXZ
I have heard however there is very few information about them, most of what exists is pre 2014 on the Internet, Also the various sources ive been finding about the mid 2000s frequently contradict each other which is really annoying. If you got any stuff about the latest stuff could i get a hold of them.