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What's the consensus?

Play tested it. It's essentially more of the same. Normal glitches you'd expect in a new game, but overall played well. Some new features like port defenses. Bigger map, so more room for fleet maneuvers. Gamers specifically interested in an isolated game of the Pacific War might enjoy it. I found it to be biased towards the Allies in my game against another play tester (I was the Allies) and my opponent was one of my regular opponents in World at War and no slouch. While it alleviates the advantage of Allies preparing for the "surprise" attack, it also leaves Japan under prepared to carry it out. China is a mess for the Japanese. At no time playing the Allies did I feel any stress about being able to eventually win. I won't be buying it just because its not unique or interesting enough to make me want to play it vice WatW. Just my two cents.

IS PBEM balanced or lopsided?

In my experience, it is possible for the Allies to go wrong, and also for the Japanese to do the same. Reports in the build up to release were that it felt balanced and there have been wins by both sides.

This matches my own PBEM experience, as I have done well and badly as both sides. Best I don't dwell on the latter as the designer!

I am referring above to the main 1941 Day of Infamy campaign, as that tends to be the main game played in PBEM, although I think all of them are worth a shot and people have definitely been having fun playing the others too (myself included).

Of course, as the pool of players following release increases and strategies are refined we will undoubtedly have to make tweaks here and there, but that is par for the course.

Fortunately there aren't many gamey exploits possible in this game (during beta we fixed some that were reported) and consequently victory or defeat will largely come down to using good or bad strategies - plus of course a little bit of Lady Luck!

That should make it a good game for PBEM, something I really wanted it to be when designing it. Not too long, and with both sides having a possibility of victory - providing they avoid any Midway style defeats.

All I can say is try it and see - and of course, report back too if you do!

ThunderLizard11 wrote: Fri Jul 19, 2024 7:20 pm IS PBEM balanced or lopsided?

It's pretty balanced in my opinion with comparable skill levels between opponents. I tested over and over MP only with the Day of Infamy scenario with strong opponents. Initially China was too weak but over the course of many changes by the devs and our input many things were improved.

I have to say for designers, it must be difficult to balance for SP and MP with the same game and get reasonable results that satisfy both types of players.....

Us MPers can be a vocal lot even though we are in the minority I have noticed

OldCrowBalthazor wrote: Fri Jul 19, 2024 9:45 pm

Us MPers can be a vocal lot even though we are in the minority I have noticed

and, is it now more of an MP or SP game?

I am a pure SP player and am currently playing 1939 to get back into the series.

Understandably, the SC ACW release had huge challenges in terms of balancing. But again, and as for this game, there is an editor, so single-ply joy should be relatively easy to come by.

And yet, and as always me knowing nothing, I wonder how much different this game is compared with WaW with the War in the Pacific 0.950 mod?

Feeling luke warm guys!

DamagePoint wrote: Sat Jul 20, 2024 12:33 am

OldCrowBalthazor wrote: Fri Jul 19, 2024 9:45 pm

Us MPers can be a vocal lot even though we are in the minority I have noticed

and, is it now more of an MP or SP game?

I am a pure SP player and am currently playing 1939 to get back into the series.

Both I would say....

I hope for an exciting Japan and USA+ campaign.
If you say so, then I believe you.

Even if I'm hoping for a TRP mod again. It will certainly come.

It shortens my waiting time for Task Force Admiral.^^

One thing that is new to the Pacific and that I should mention is that Japan can potentially win 1941 Day of Infamy at any time, providing it meets the victory conditions, and these victory conditions also change over time.

This was a deliberate design decision to encourage high intensity games, rather than always requiring the Axis player to have to survive until the end of the campaign.

DamagePoint wrote: Sat Jul 20, 2024 4:45 am I hope for an exciting Japan and USA+ campaign.
If you say so, then I believe you.

Even if I'm hoping for a TRP mod again. It will certainly come.

It shortens my waiting time for Task Force Admiral.^^

Honestly, there will be no TRP mod for the Pacific. It is hard enough to keep Europe and World in lock step (Beyond Compare Editor is awesome)

HOWEVER, even if you are in lock step with just wanting to play TRP I highly recommend you buy Pacific just to support the devs. They are a small group that not only created the game but really encourages the community. Months before Pacific was released, they reached out to me to give them a wish list of things I would like added to help support the TRP mod. This is rare and should be supported and encouraged.

So, by you buying SC Pacific you are supporting TRP (indirectly).

If you are one of those individuals who feel that you love TRP so much that if it was a standalone game, you would buy it then I ask you to buy SC Pacific. By doing it you are supporting TRP and the continuation of the fantastic support from the devs and encouraging them to continue with their support of the community.

Lothos wrote: Sun Jul 21, 2024 2:14 pm

DamagePoint wrote: Sat Jul 20, 2024 4:45 am I hope for an exciting Japan and USA+ campaign.
If you say so, then I believe you.

Even if I'm hoping for a TRP mod again. It will certainly come.

It shortens my waiting time for Task Force Admiral.^^

Honestly, there will be no TRP mod for the Pacific. It is hard enough to keep Europe and World in lock step (Beyond Compare Editor is awesome)

HOWEVER, even if you are in lock step with just wanting to play TRP I highly recommend you buy Pacific just to support the devs. They are a small group that not only created the game but really encourages the community. Months before Pacific was released, they reached out to me to give them a wish list of things I would like added to help support the TRP mod. This is rare and should be supported and encouraged.

So, by you buying SC Pacific you are supporting TRP (indirectly).

If you are one of those individuals who feel that you love TRP so much that if it was a standalone game, you would buy it then I ask you to buy SC Pacific. By doing it you are supporting TRP and the continuation of the fantastic support from the devs and encouraging them to continue with their support of the community.

I fully support these statements!
I may add that from my experience of basically 3 months of non-stop testing of SC-WitP'S scenarios, I give a 'Buy' recommendation for it hands down. That's coming from me who easily has over a thousand hours of playing TRP and its different versions the last 3 years.

OldCrowBalthazor wrote: Sun Jul 21, 2024 6:56 pm [ally 3 months of non-stop testing of SC-WitP'S scenarios, I give a 'Buy' recommendation for it hands down. That's coming from me who easily has over a thousand hours of playing TRP and its different versions the last 3 years.

OK - I'm in!

Lothos wrote: Sun Jul 21, 2024 2:14 pm
So, by you buying SC Pacific you are supporting TRP (indirectly).

I already had the game anyway.
I understand if it would be too much work.
I can't say anything about the campaign yet, I've only finished 1939 with Japan. But in the next few days I'll get to Iwo Jima and then the campaign. I've bought so many games (SGS Games) that I'm totally exhausted myself and then there's the WDS Normandy'44 250-round campaign.

But you also have to wait and see how many gamers buy the game.

Yes two thumbs up!

TRP mod? What is that? I've been away awhile.

ATCSMike wrote: Fri Aug 16, 2024 2:39 am TRP mod? What is that? I've been away awhile.

Something like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWsbGWlntt0
Theres a World at War and a War in Europe version. Go look for them in the WaW and WiE Mod sub-forums. Truly epic scale.

ATCSMike wrote: Fri Aug 16, 2024 2:39 am TRP mod? What is that? I've been away awhile.

Link is in my signature, their is a Europe and World version.

In short, turns the game into a long strategy game. Their are lots of videos on Youtube about the mod as well.

Thanks. I'll check it out