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When Vichy is formed, British Units are "interned" (aka destroyed) by the game engine.

If a player feints for "All France" and UK puts troops in Algiers / Vichy they run the risk of getting interned just to prevent all France.

I think the game engine should "teleport" any UK unit from a city that has an attached port in Algiers to the UK if France surrenders.

I get not having units in Southern France, but if they are in Algeria to prevent "All France" and Vichy is Formed instead, UK is punished.

Curious to hear thoughts on this.

MKmark wrote: Tue Sep 03, 2024 10:53 am

archmache wrote: Mon Sep 02, 2024 3:34 pm When Vichy is formed, British Units are "interned" (aka destroyed) by the game engine.

If a player feints for "All France" and UK puts troops in Algiers / Vichy they run the risk of getting interned just to prevent all France.

I think the game engine should "teleport" any UK unit from a city that has an attached port in Algiers to the UK if France surrenders.

I get not having units in Southern France, but if they are in Algeria to prevent "All France" and Vichy is Formed instead, UK is punished.

Curious to hear thoughts on this.

No, British units are not destroyed, only the ones with no supplyes, i used to send all british units to ports (cherbourg, Brest etc..) then they stay allive and ready to transport to UK

those are the ones in France, they stay alive. The ones in Bordeaux, Vichy and North Africa surrender.

Balance wise, I think it'll be too easy to stop All of France if the allies don't have to worry about non-French units surrendering. You just drop some Indian or Commonwealth or even British units there, and it'll take way longer to take it. The allies just gotta use their navy and airforce to stop this strategy imo.

What happens to Axis units in NA btw, if they end up choosing Vichy instead of All of France?

Assuming they still hold Libya, they get kicked to that border.

@Archmache --- Lol, you must be talking about our game. Amazing, the French got 3+ turns of snow. Japs got Rain/Mud.

ElvisJJonesRambo wrote: Tue Sep 03, 2024 4:35 pm @Archmache --- Lol, you must be talking about our game. Amazing, the French got 3+ turns of snow. Japs got Rain/Mud.

Yes - Spotted your HQ with the Italian Bomber on Turn 2 and thought up this plan. If I could feign for "All France" and then get you to deploy units in Algeria, but go for "Vichy" then you would lose out on any units deployed there.

Personally, I think those units should teleport to the UK, similar to how Axis units move back to their territory when Vichy is formed.

Regarding our game - Heck of a lot of AA to get through around Paris. Goering isn't too pleased with the situation. Lots of Snow for sure. China is a bloodbath, never seen so many units go at it.

I was wondering what the

Ironic, eh? Same game you go heavy Western Libya, so did the Allies. We will be over the board (outta Tunisa) soon. No choice, or head to port. There's no rail, so would take 3 turns. Probably when those Panzers will be driving thru Paris.

You must be buying more speciality units, because you haven't upgraded one of the Panzers nor a couple of those Nazi Armies.

Italians even built Paratroop, sent 2 transports to Ethopia, so you're ground forces are light in the Med, better guard Rome.

You've gotten couple snow turns. Which is quite normal. Southern China some mud. Yeah, lots of dead Asians, in Asia. You're closing in the two main corridors, but at least those Super Elite units are dinged up. The mud turn was the *key, allowed me to counter-attack and buy time on the outter Forts.

In this particular game, appears the Italians have recieved a Powerslap.
Not possible to give the Patton Slap, since George was still in the States.

We'll hit em with the WunderWaffen!
This game certainly is wild. Italy about to fall in 1/2 turns. Good grief the dreams of "Mare Regina" have turned to ash and dust in no time. At least Italians in East Africa got to Safari around for a couple turns.
Enjoy it while it lasts

I don't see as a big issue. I think I had one player try "All France" successfully in like a 100 games. Keeping French units in Tunis and Algeria should prevent. Also, if Axis does go All France there is a downside in prep for Barbarossa.

I agree that any British troops in French colonies should be deported to the nearest British friendly territory. I just don't see British forces submitting to Vichy "internment" without a fight. I might suggest an event triggered by this where they are "deported" or Allies must declare war on that colony to remain.

havoc1371 wrote: Sun Sep 22, 2024 4:09 pm I agree that any British troops in French colonies should be deported to the nearest British friendly territory. I just don't see British forces submitting to Vichy "internment" without a fight. I might suggest an event triggered by this where they are "deported" or Allies must declare war on that colony to remain.

would be a logistical nightmare. Where are they gonna go, through the Sahara? A DE for a Dunkirk style rescue mission with a moderate percentage of success with the tradeoff to piss off Vichy countries regardless of the outcome could be a nice idea though.