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CaesarAug wrote: Tue Sep 17, 2024 7:45 am That was changed "indirectly" when a long discussion arose in these forums regarding the constant attacks against subs, whereby sub-diving did not provide sufficient defence. While true that sub diving inherently does not consume supply (in these cases not affecting normal supply consumption when "naval cruising") it was felt that the constant attacks on a sub trying to escape (without diving) meant an unfair supply drain, hence low sub durability at sea, and hence the change so that subs no longer consume supply when defending from attacks, regardless of diving.

And a player can likewise give subs a retreat possibility like other surface ships in the editor.

Another change in the game engine increased the theoretical maximum sub diving from the previous 2-hexes to 4-hexes.

But the changes introduced in the patches come with perhaps the undesirable non-consumption of supply when subs "naval cruise."

However, this change can be reverted very easily by the player in the game editor under Campaign / Edit Combat Data, select Sub on the left column, and in the right column revert the 0 under the "Naval Supply Consumption From Combat (Defender)" to 1 for subs. As far as I know, this adjustment are whole numbers only, no 0.5 fractions.

OxfordGuy3 wrote: Tue Sep 17, 2024 12:23 pm

CaesarAug wrote: Tue Sep 17, 2024 7:45 am That was changed "indirectly" when a long discussion arose in these forums regarding the constant attacks against subs, whereby sub-diving did not provide sufficient defence. While true that sub diving inherently does not consume supply (in these cases not affecting normal supply consumption when "naval cruising") it was felt that the constant attacks on a sub trying to escape (without diving) meant an unfair supply drain, hence low sub durability at sea, and hence the change so that subs no longer consume supply when defending from attacks, regardless of diving.

And a player can likewise give subs a retreat possibility like other surface ships in the editor.

Another change in the game engine increased the theoretical maximum sub diving from the previous 2-hexes to 4-hexes.

But the changes introduced in the patches come with perhaps the undesirable non-consumption of supply when subs "naval cruise."

However, this change can be reverted very easily by the player in the game editor under Campaign / Edit Combat Data, select Sub on the left column, and in the right column revert the 0 under the "Naval Supply Consumption From Combat (Defender)" to 1 for subs. As far as I know, this adjustment are whole numbers only, no 0.5 fractions.

So are you saying that the changes made for subs not losing supply when attacked (which I generally agree with, makes them much harder to sink, especially combined with the longer retreat range) are totally linked with them not losing supply when cruising (which I disagree with)? is there no way to have the former without the latter? Seems odd if there are not separate settings for each,

Taxman66 wrote: Tue Sep 17, 2024 2:17 pm Iirc, it was a 'bug' that creeped in from the latest patch. I would expect it to be removed with theie next one.