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Database request: More Soviet hypotheticals
Posted: Sun Dec 29, 2024 8:17 pm
by thunderpooner
Apologies in advance if this has already discussed. Working on some alt-history based scenarios and realize that the Soviets don't have many hypothetical platforms in the database. The best of course is the Ulyanovsk, but also missing is the hypothetical Project 1153 Orel from the 60's and 70's. And even then the air wings are not really able to be fleshed out since we are missing carrier capable versions of the MiG-23, Su-24 (proposed), etc. I know data is kinda limited as these were just proposals and basically just blueprints, but would be interesting to have some of these for what-if scenarios. Sea Power has some of these units in their database but comparing it to CMO is like an arcade game to a an actual high fidelity simulator.
Re: Database request: More Soviet hypotheticals
Posted: Sun Dec 29, 2024 8:42 pm
by KLAB
Re: Database request: More Soviet hypotheticals
Posted: Sun Dec 29, 2024 10:58 pm
by ThunderCBR
Ah yes! I forgot about the Github. Thanks for the link!
Re: Database request: More Soviet hypotheticals
Posted: Tue Dec 31, 2024 3:34 am
by kahta
I've submitted several hypothetical Soviet aircraft and ships already, as have others. Please check the entries to avoid duplication or if you have other information that conflicts with what other people have submitted it would be great to include it for the DB team to make a call on.
Re: Database request: More Soviet hypotheticals
Posted: Tue Dec 31, 2024 10:46 am
by thewood1
thunderpooner wrote: Sun Dec 29, 2024 8:17 pm
Apologies in advance if this has already discussed. Working on some alt-history based scenarios and realize that the Soviets don't have many hypothetical platforms in the database. The best of course is the Ulyanovsk, but also missing is the hypothetical Project 1153 Orel from the 60's and 70's. And even then the air wings are not really able to be fleshed out since we are missing carrier capable versions of the MiG-23, Su-24 (proposed), etc. I know data is kinda limited as these were just proposals and basically just blueprints, but would be interesting to have some of these for what-if scenarios. Sea Power has some of these units in their database but comparing it to CMO is like an arcade game to a an actual high fidelity simulator.
Are you the same poster as on Steam where is was pointed out the Orel is already in the db?
Again, Sea Power is the new DCS.
Re: Database request: More Soviet hypotheticals
Posted: Tue Dec 31, 2024 6:47 pm
by ThunderCBR
thewood1 wrote: Tue Dec 31, 2024 10:46 am
thunderpooner wrote: Sun Dec 29, 2024 8:17 pm
Apologies in advance if this has already discussed. Working on some alt-history based scenarios and realize that the Soviets don't have many hypothetical platforms in the database. The best of course is the Ulyanovsk, but also missing is the hypothetical Project 1153 Orel from the 60's and 70's. And even then the air wings are not really able to be fleshed out since we are missing carrier capable versions of the MiG-23, Su-24 (proposed), etc. I know data is kinda limited as these were just proposals and basically just blueprints, but would be interesting to have some of these for what-if scenarios. Sea Power has some of these units in their database but comparing it to CMO is like an arcade game to a an actual high fidelity simulator.
Are you the same poster as on Steam where is was pointed out the Orel is already in the db?
Again, Sea Power is the new DCS.
I'm not. I usually don't even bother with the Steam discussion forums.
And yeah agree with you on Sea Power. Just be nice to have some additional platforms in CMO for alt-history scenarios. I've been doing a lot of research and writing some relatively plausible scenarios to give the WP a better strategic position and a better maritime force structure.
Re: Database request: More Soviet hypotheticals
Posted: Tue Dec 31, 2024 8:37 pm
by thewood1
The CWDB has a few hypo USSR carriers and a few others. btw, the final disposition of the 1153 for a S/VTOL carrier. Somewhere between a Kiev and a Nimitz. It eventually became the 1143.7 CVN that actually started construction but was never finished.
Re: Database request: More Soviet hypotheticals
Posted: Fri Jan 10, 2025 1:41 pm
by JohnWise
What about the BIG DADDY !!! 
of Soviet hypothetical aircraft namely the Lun-class Ekranoplan, Soviet classification 903. Which progressed beyond proposals & blueprints to become "the real McKoy" with the actual missile lobbing, sea skimming aircraft being tested on countless occasions in the Caspian Sea.
It's purpose ( if I remember correctly ) was to sneak in below radar horizon on US and NATO Capital ships like Aircraft Carriers and fire sea skimming missiles at them.
That would make a brilliant what-if CMO scenario on it's own, if the conditions are right to deploy the Ekranoplan.
US defence analysts were so puzzled by the configuration of the Soviets ( back then ) top secret aircraft from satellite photos that it was dubbed
The Caspian Sea Monster !!
Re: Database request: More Soviet hypotheticals
Posted: Fri Jan 10, 2025 10:03 pm
by kahta
JohnWise wrote: Fri Jan 10, 2025 1:41 pm
What about the BIG DADDY !!! of Soviet hypothetical aircraft namely the Lun-class Ekranoplan, Soviet classification 903. Which progressed beyond proposals & blueprints to become "the real McKoy" with the actual missile lobbing, sea skimming aircraft being tested on countless occasions in the Caspian Sea.
It's purpose ( if I remember correctly ) was to sneak in below radar horizon on US and NATO Capital ships like Aircraft Carriers and fire sea skimming missiles at them.
That would make a brilliant what-if CMO scenario on it's own, if the conditions are right to deploy the Ekranoplan.
US defence analysts were so puzzled by the configuration of the Soviets ( back then ) top secret aircraft from satellite photos that it was dubbed
The Caspian Sea Monster !!
This is already available
https://cmano-db.com/aircraft/2397/