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Radar ASW detection?
Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2025 8:55 pm
by Sundancing
Hi there,
Preface to say I'm still finding my way with the game somewhat so this could well be a gap in understanding on my end. That said I'm not sure how the scenario below happened where I detected a submerged sub through the use of my Orion's surface radar. Anybody with more experience able to weigh in on what I'm missing of if this might be a bug?
Re: Radar ASW detection?
Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2025 9:04 pm
by tylerblakebrandon
If you look at the full db entry specifically for the EL/M-2020 and not just the aircraft you should see in the full properties the radar has periscope search. So you most likely picked up the sub at periscope depth.
Re: Radar ASW detection?
Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2025 10:28 pm
by HalfLifeExpert
Detecting a subsurface contact with Radar almost certainly means it has detected a submarine's periscope/other mast sticking up above the water, or the submarine itself is on the surface.
The only other possibility is a 0 depth False Contact, which can be used in some cases to simulate fish, debris, and even overactive, tired or paranoid personnel falsely reporting a periscope. Though this isn't done much in practice in Command scenarios.
You want to pounce on that contact ASAP. Consider yourself lucky to have picked it up so shallow.
The same rule applies if you pick up a subsurface contact with ELINT emissions or even Mk1 Eyeball, basically if you detect something "subsurface" with anything other than Sonar or MAD, you want to pounce right away
Re: Radar ASW detection?
Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2025 7:56 pm
by Sundancing
tylerblakebrandon wrote: Mon Mar 03, 2025 9:04 pm
If you look at the full db entry specifically for the EL/M-2020 and not just the aircraft you should see in the full properties the radar has periscope search. So you most likely picked up the sub at periscope depth.
HalfLifeExpert wrote: Mon Mar 03, 2025 10:28 pm
Detecting a subsurface contact with Radar almost certainly means it has detected a submarine's periscope/other mast sticking up above the water, or the submarine itself is on the surface.
The only other possibility is a 0 depth False Contact, which can be used in some cases to simulate fish, debris, and even overactive, tired or paranoid personnel falsely reporting a periscope. Though this isn't done much in practice in Command scenarios.
You want to pounce on that contact ASAP. Consider yourself lucky to have picked it up so shallow.
The same rule applies if you pick up a subsurface contact with ELINT emissions or even Mk1 Eyeball, basically if you detect something "subsurface" with anything other than Sonar or MAD, you want to pounce right away
Ah thanks for the advice - that makes sense now. Yes I managed to catch him with the Orion, risky coming up like that but no threats were visible I guess.
Re: Radar ASW detection?
Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2025 8:33 pm
by Sundancing
On a completely different note: I've setup a land strike, the flight plan that was produced showed the aircraft as having remaining fuel at each waypoint to complete the whole journey. However they have to turn about most of the way through due to bingo fuel so is the flightplan editor not always accurate?
Connected to that - I'd setup a refuelling point as I suspected they'd run out and gave them a refuelling waypoint in the flightplan but only the flight lead went to refuel with the others continuing on past.
Any ideas what I'm doing wrong here?