God of War - Soviet Artillery TOEs

[Wiedrock]

Sources:
- Companion to the Red Army, Zaloga and Ness, 2009, pages refer to this source.
- German Intel - BArch source will be given
- If there are more sources I'll put an additonal link or so to the issue.
- EDIT: See for more info in the Regiments/Brigades (This Source has not yet been included into the Infos of this Post.)
https://cgsc.contentdm.oclc.org/digital ... 5339/rec/1

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1. DONE OB:2486 41 Mortar Battalion [page 130]
   → Manpower: 276→350
2. DONE OB:2466 42c Mortar Regiment [page 130]
   → Motorization Status: "All" needs to be "Supply Only" (this was an unmotorized TOE)
   → TOE may need to stay until the end (no auto-upgrade to MOT) (not100% clear)
3. DONE OB:2457 Light Artillery Regiment (German Intel BArch RH 2/2530 pic 269, it is for the Regiment inside the Light Brigade, from 1944, motorized)
   → Manpower 1344→557
   Note: Why would a Regiment of 24x76mm need 1344Men while 36x152mm Gun-Howitzer needs 1284 (both are motorized "All") during the same late41/early42 period? As a comparison, the AT-Regiments containing 20x76mm had 489Men and those containing 18x45mm+36x76mm had 964Men [page 127]. Additionally, the 76mm Regiments of the Light Brigade of the Artillery Divisions were called "tank-destroyer artillery regiments" [page 139], possibly further aligning usage/manpower between 76mm used as AT/Artillery. Further, the game contains a 42 Light Artillery Brigade [OB:2412] with 1872Men, which is basically the unit used in the Artillery Divisions.
   So to me the German intel number of 577 (from 1944) seems more logical in every possible way. Not sure about the 1872 of the Brigade, 577x3 leaves 141 for Staff, seems about alright.
4. DONE OB:2397 43 Breakthrough Artillery Division [page 140, Source 2]
   → Manpower: 12884→10869
   Note: The difference may be related to the OB:2457, which is too large with 1344 instead of 557Men, which makes 12884 into 10523 when re-calculated, which almost matches the 10869!
   Or alternatively the 41 Light Artillery Brigade being used would give us 10724. So 10869 from the Source seems alright.
   Also see:
   Resolution No. GOK-3164ss of 12 April 1943
   Resolution No. GOK-3247ss of April 23, 1943
5. DONE OB:2398 44 Breakthrough Artillery Division [page 140, Source 2]
   → Date: 03/1944→must be either 09/1944 or 10/1944 according to the source.
   → Guns changes:
   • 76mm Guns 72x→48x
   • Rocket Launchers 72x→36
   • 160mm Mortars 48→36
   • 152mm Guns/Howitzers either 36gun-Howitzers or 32howitzers, not both. ...Some 122mm Regiments are stated to be mixed tho, but this means some 122mm were to be exchanged I suppose. But I have as of now no idea HOW they were "MIXED".
   Note: Niehorster lists the compositions of those units for the Battle for Berlin. Every Division is different obv. but the size that's currently in game (gun-wise) is not reflected by that.
   → Manpower: currently 14784 → needs calculation (source does not provide any)
   As base I take the prior TOE from 1943. and calculate with "correct" gun numbers.
   What changed:
   +32x160mm Mortar (1x OB:2424, 656Men)
   +36xRocket Launcher (no exact fitting Brigade, 50% of OB:2417 = 596)
   -36x76mm Gun (as mentioned before 577)
   -36x152mm Gun (OB:2414, 1524Men)
   =10869+656+596-577-1524=10020
   Calculating little different I get 10300.
6. DONE OB:2400 Cannon Artillery Division [page 140]
   → Guns: +48x76mm Gun
   → Manpower: 8492→5249
   Note: As before, here we need to add a Regiment 577 + a Battalion of 76mm guns, this goes on top of 3x1564Men for the three Brigades. The Battalions were put as AT assets to the brigades is how I understand it.

   GOK-4212ss of 28 September 1943
   1. Form one Guards Cannon Artillery Division RGK consisting of four cannon crews of 36 - 122 mm cannons - 152 mm howitzer guns each and one reconnaissance artillery division, total 5085 people.

   GOK-4213ss of 28 September 1943
   1. Form one Guards Cannon Artillery Division RGK consisting of three cannon artillery brigades of 36-152 mm howitzer guns and 16 - 76 mm guns in each, one reconnaissance artillery division, management and rear parts of the division, with a total number of 5250 people.

Further Artillery Info:
Artillery Divisions
Cannon Regiment in Cannon Brigade of Breakthrough Division
08/543 Howitzer Regiment TOE

[Denniss]

Made some changes, waiting for a book at the moment

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2394	42 Art Div	365->373 Support
2395	43 Art Div	364->375 Support
2397	43 BrktArt Div	extended to 5/44
2398	44 BrktArt Div	delayed to 6/44, ends 11/44, upgrades to new 1945 version 2399, 152mm ML-20/BM-31 removed, 569->585 Support
2403	43 Rocket Div	extended to 5/44, M-30-4 -> M-31-4, 85->114 Support
2404	44 Rocket Div	delayed to 6/44, 288->216x BM-31
2413	42 Cannon Bde	122mm M-30 Howitzer -> 122mm A-19 gun, 75->60 Support
2420	44 Rocket Bde	24->72x BM-32, 42->90 Support; Removed: M-30-4
2433	42 Crp Art Rgt	50->34 Support
2435	42 Crp Art Bn	18->32 Support
2457	42 L Art Rgt	60->24 Support
2466	42c Mort Rgt	Motorization downgraded to Supply-Only, upgrade removed, extended to 8/45
2467	43 Mort Rgt	19->22 Support
2486	41 Mortar Bn	3->7 Support
NEW     2399	45 BrktArt Div	starts 12/44, as 2398 but 72x BM-31 added back

[Denniss]

might be of interest
https://docs.historyrussia.org/ru/nodes/270719
https://rkka.ru/handbook/data/art040440.htm

Per the wiki entry below the type-3 Corps art Rgt was supposed to have 2818 men, included a obervation, training and transport Bn
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/266-%D0%B ... 0%BB%D0%BA

[Denniss]

Mortar Brigades 2422/23 should be investigated
2422 seem to be a 4-Rgt version of 2423 but all I canfind for 4-Rgt version is the 4x20 horsedrawn version
2423 is correct regarding the mortars but with an abnormal high amount of support.

Red Thunder by Charles C. Sharp lists some 4-Rgt Bdes but all of them were created late 42 in Artillery divisions which explains the 80x120mm mortars in the 42 div while the later switch to 108x 120mm mortars indicates reorg and motorization of the now three mortar Rgts.

[Denniss]

Additional work done for artillery units

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2394	42 Art Div	365->373 Support
2395	43 Art Div	364->375 Support
2397	43 BrktArt Div	extended to 5/44
2398	44 BrktArt Div	delayed to 6/44, ends 11/44, upgrades to new 1945 version 2399, 152mm ML-20/BM-31 removed, 569->585 Support
2403	43 Rocket Div	extended to 5/44, M-30-4 -> M-31-4, 85->114 Support
2404	44 Rocket Div	delayed to 6/44, 288->216x BM-31
2413	42 Cannon Bde	122mm M-30 Howitzer -> 122mm A-19 Field Gun, 75->60 Support
2417	44 Cannon Bde	40->60 Support
2420	44 Rocket Bde	24->72x BM-31, 42->90 Support; Removed: M-30-4
2423	43b Mortar Bde	100->75 Support
2432	41d Crp Art Rg	122mm M-30 Howitzer -> 122mm A-19 cannon
2433	42 Crp Art Rgt	50->34 Support
2434	43 Crp Art Rgt	renamed 43a, 75->60 Support
2435	42 Crp Art Bn	renamed 43b Regiment, 8->12x 152mm ML-20, 18->40 Support
2440	42b Gun Rgt	ends 4/43, upgrades to 2448 (setup analog to sister OB 2439
2444	42a How Rgt	renamed 42, ends 6/43, upgrades to 2445
2445	42b How Rgt	renamed 43, 5/42->7/43 Start date, 1/43->8/45 End date, 20x 152mm M-10 -> 28x 122mm M-30
2447	43a Arm Art Rgt	5/44->8/45 End Date, "Gun" removed from Suffix
2448	43b Arm Art Rgt	4->5/43 Start Date, 5/44->8/45 End Date, "Gun" removed from Suffix
2455	41 Arm Art Rgt	48->60 Support, 9/45->4/43 End Date, upgrade to 2447 added
2456	41 Cannon Rgt	ends 4/43, upgrade to 2448 added
2457	42 L Art Rgt	60->24 Support
2464	42a Mort Rgt	6/43->4/42 End Date, 2467->2466 Upgrade, 31-25 Support
2466	42c Mort Rgt	Motorization downgraded to Supply-Only, upgrade removed, extended to 8/45, 18->15 Support
2467	43 Mort Rgt	19->22 Support
2486	41 Mortar Bn	3->7 Support

NEW
2399	45 BrktArt Div	starts 12/44, as 2398 but 72x BM-31 added back

[Wiedrock]

artillery units

2397 43 BrktArt Div extended to 5/44
2398 44 BrktArt Div delayed to 6/44, ends 11/44, upgrades to new 1945 version 2399, 152mm ML-20/BM-31 removed, 569->585 Support

OBs 2397+2398 need some manpower reduction from what I can tell.
2397 for sure.
2398 depends on the chosen gun combinations.

[Denniss]

Charles C. Sharp list some manpower numbers in Red Thunder
43-45 Art Div with 9.5k men (equipment like OB 2395)
43-45 Brk art Div with 13-15k men, no info about which specific org gets those numbers and whether they vary by equipment or contain some buest guess numbers
as far as i can see the 43 brk Art div differs from plain art div in 24x 203mm How and 32x 152mm Hows
203mm How would be 2416.
152mm How would be OB2415 although this may be 100 men too fat.
If that data and my calculations are right this would make 12.3k men for the 43 Brk Art div.

[Wiedrock]

I suppose we have to figure out the math. It indeed seems weird for them to have more guns but just little more men. It may be related to the Artillery Corps which may have had subunits for duties which you on other cases have as parts of the Artillery Divisions.

Another obvious issue is the OB:2400 Cannon Artillery Division (see initial post, I added some additional quotes). Manpower was ~-3k and guns were +48 76mm (AT) guns.