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[FIXED] [1645] ROF Not Being Followed

Posted: Sun May 11, 2025 8:24 am
by boogabooga
The rate of fire is not being respected. I've seen this so far with SAMs and AAMs, but it probably affects all weapon types.

In the attached scenarios, each F-15 is set to fire 2 rounds per salvo. Notice that each fires both AIM-120s at the exact same time. Each icon really represents two missiles, which you can see if you click on it:
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I think we had this same bug a year or so ago?

Re: [1645] ROF Not Being Followed

Posted: Sun May 11, 2025 12:42 pm
by Knightpawn
"each F-15 is set to fire 2 rounds per salvo. Notice that each fires both AIM-120s at the exact same time."

Based on what you write the behavior is consistent with the imperative, no?

Re: [1645] ROF Not Being Followed

Posted: Sun May 11, 2025 6:10 pm
by boogabooga
Knightpawn wrote: Sun May 11, 2025 12:42 pm "each F-15 is set to fire 2 rounds per salvo. Notice that each fires both AIM-120s at the exact same time."

Based on what you write the behavior is consistent with the imperative, no?
Not quite. The problem is the rate of fire.

Usually, the missiles are supposed to be separated by about a 5 second delay between the shots.

Re: [1645] ROF Not Being Followed

Posted: Sun May 11, 2025 6:55 pm
by Knightpawn
boogabooga wrote: Sun May 11, 2025 6:10 pm
Not quite. The problem is the rate of fire.

Usually, the missiles are supposed to be separated by about a 5 second delay between the shots.
I am unaware of standard procedure, but if a pilot believes that a specific type of threat deserves two Fox-3 (and to my understanding this is what the missiles per salvo doctrine represents), why necessarily wait for five seconds if they can be fired at shorter intervals (can't they?)

Re: [1645] ROF Not Being Followed

Posted: Mon May 12, 2025 1:22 am
by boogabooga
Knightpawn wrote: Sun May 11, 2025 6:55 pm I am unaware of standard procedure, but if a pilot believes that a specific type of threat deserves two Fox-3 (and to my understanding this is what the missiles per salvo doctrine represents), why necessarily wait for five seconds if they can be fired at shorter intervals (can't they?)
For the last 6 or so years that I've used CMANO/CMO, it has been normal that an ROF is enforced between successive shots.

I wasn't necessarily addressing the "real-world" implications, but I would suspect that there is a risk of munitions interfering with each other, etc. if the are launched too close together.

Re: [1645] ROF Not Being Followed

Posted: Mon May 12, 2025 7:22 pm
by Nikel
Some related info. Answers posted at Quora for this question:

How common is "double missile launching" for fighter pilots? Firing two missiles at the same time?

https://www.quora.com/How-common-is-dou ... -same-time

Re: [1645] ROF Not Being Followed

Posted: Tue May 13, 2025 11:49 pm
by boogabooga
Did this get logged?

Re: [1645] ROF Not Being Followed

Posted: Fri May 16, 2025 6:14 am
by blu3s
Yes, logged 0016742

Re: [1645] ROF Not Being Followed

Posted: Tue May 27, 2025 11:46 am
by Dimitris
Fixed for the next update release.

Re: [FIXED][1645] ROF Not Being Followed

Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2025 3:19 pm
by boogabooga
As of 1676, it seems fixed with AAMs, but not fixed with other types such as SSMs.

Re: [FIXED][1645] ROF Not Being Followed

Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2025 3:26 pm
by Dimitris
Can we see an example? The OP example was specifically for weapons launched from aircraft loadouts.

Re: [1645] ROF Not Being Followed

Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2025 7:11 am
by boogabooga
Dimitris wrote: Sun Jul 06, 2025 3:26 pm Can we see an example? The OP example was specifically for weapons launched from aircraft loadouts.
Alright, here you go.

Still an issue in 1706.

I think SAMs might be affected as well

Re: [1645] ROF Not Being Followed

Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2025 11:05 pm
by boogabooga
Was the last post seen?

Re: [1645] ROF Not Being Followed

Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2025 6:27 am
by Nikel
boogabooga wrote: Thu Jul 31, 2025 11:05 pm Was the last post seen?
Devs summer holidays? :)

Re: [1645] ROF Not Being Followed

Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2025 10:41 pm
by boogabooga
Nikel wrote: Fri Aug 01, 2025 6:27 am
boogabooga wrote: Thu Jul 31, 2025 11:05 pm Was the last post seen?
Devs summer holidays? :)
Well, Dimitris asked for an example...

Re: [1645] ROF Not Being Followed

Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2025 8:54 am
by blu3s
That's WAD, each wepon is being fired from a different TEL

Re: [FIXED] [1645] ROF Not Being Followed

Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2025 12:24 am
by boogabooga
blu3s wrote: Tue Aug 05, 2025 8:54 am That's WAD, each wepon is being fired from a different TEL
It used to be that the ROF was respected for the entire platform, not per mount. Was this an intentional change?

Re: [FIXED] [1645] ROF Not Being Followed

Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2025 5:54 am
by blu3s
Mmm I don't remember that worked by platform, and IMO that wouldn't make sense.

Re: [FIXED] [1645] ROF Not Being Followed

Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2025 11:53 am
by thewood1
I went back and looked at some very old threads to validate my memory that it was by mount.