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About to quit. Confederate outnumbers Union troops...what am I missing?
Posted: Wed May 21, 2025 2:12 pm
by incbob
I have now played several games as the Union against the AI on the default setting.
Most other games, to give balance, adjust each sides victory point requirements. They do not artificially adjust unit strengths or the amount of units.
Yet this game, at the default, gives the Confederacy an amazing amount of infantry and industry.
In my current game I am at April 1863
As the Union I have 1379 MPPS, the Confederacy has 1240 MPPS.
This means the Confederacy has 89% of the Unions industry. Yes, I am taking 150+ MPPS from trade so they should be about equal.
The Union has 95 land units. The Confederacy has 104 land units.
The Confederacy has also been able to build 4 monitors and 3+ River Ironclads.
I have taken Kentucky and am closing in on Nashville.
What is going on? In what world did the Confederacy have this kind of industry?
Re: About to quit. Confederate outnumbers Union troops...what am I missing?
Posted: Wed May 21, 2025 4:39 pm
by Patrat
Are you blockading the Confederate ports? If you don't, the Confederates will get lots of MPP from the Europeans.
Re: About to quit. Confederate outnumbers Union troops...what am I missing?
Posted: Wed May 21, 2025 5:12 pm
by incbob
I have 2-3 gunboats on each convoy lane taking 100+ mpps out per turn
Re: About to quit. Confederate outnumbers Union troops...what am I missing?
Posted: Wed May 21, 2025 6:54 pm
by Bo Rearguard
incbob wrote: Wed May 21, 2025 2:12 pm
I have now played several games as the Union against the AI on the default setting.
Most other games, to give balance, adjust each sides victory point requirements. They do not artificially adjust unit strengths or the amount of units.
Yet this game, at the default, gives the Confederacy an amazing amount of infantry and industry.
In my current game I am at April 1863
As the Union I have 1379 MPPS, the Confederacy has 1240 MPPS.
This means the Confederacy has 89% of the Unions industry. Yes, I am taking 150+ MPPS from trade so they should be about equal.
The Union has 95 land units. The Confederacy has 104 land units.
The Confederacy has also been able to build 4 monitors and 3+ River Ironclads.
I have taken Kentucky and am closing in on Nashville.
What is going on? In what world did the Confederacy have this kind of industry?
I've noticed the same thing. As the Union you have to slog through the Rebel AI hordes in the early part of the game until you capture enough of the big coastal cities that it finally starts to hurt. The Confederate AI always seem ahead on the good techs too like Corps development. In this game we must be facing that vast Confederate host that the detective Allan Pinkerton was always warning McClellan about.
Re: About to quit. Confederate outnumbers Union troops...what am I missing?
Posted: Wed May 21, 2025 7:53 pm
by incbob
Bo Rearguard wrote: Wed May 21, 2025 6:54 pm
I've noticed the same thing. As the Union you have to slog through the Rebel AI hordes in the early part of the game until you capture enough of the big coastal cities that it finally starts to hurt. The Confederate AI always seem ahead on the good techs too like Corps development. In this game we must be facing that vast Confederate host that the detective Allan Pinkerton was always warning McClellan about.
LOL. Yeah...this is the Confederate Army that McClellan always worried about. What amazes me even more though is they have that AND a Navy.
Re: About to quit. Confederate outnumbers Union troops...what am I missing?
Posted: Thu May 22, 2025 11:12 am
by Patrat
I don't know what to tell you, except maybe that you haven't done enough damage early on to the Confederates and allowed them to build up.
I've played as Union against the AI and never experienced the massive Confederate forces you guys are talking about, even when I give the AI the 20% bonus to MPPs.
Re: About to quit. Confederate outnumbers Union troops...what am I missing?
Posted: Thu May 22, 2025 2:18 pm
by Bo Rearguard
It's October 1861 against the Rebel AI and despite destroying 5 Confederate ground units already and losing none they've got 72 land units to my 56 and it'll probably get worse. (Yes, I have been building divisions) I guess it doesn't fit the historical image of a scrappy under-manned Confederate Army fighting vaster Union manpower. Luckily the AI isn't too bright likes to go on the offensive early and often leads with it's chin so eventually the Rebs get knocked down to size.

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Re: About to quit. Confederate outnumbers Union troops...what am I missing?
Posted: Thu May 22, 2025 6:31 pm
by Tanaka
incbob wrote: Wed May 21, 2025 7:53 pm
Bo Rearguard wrote: Wed May 21, 2025 6:54 pm
I've noticed the same thing. As the Union you have to slog through the Rebel AI hordes in the early part of the game until you capture enough of the big coastal cities that it finally starts to hurt. The Confederate AI always seem ahead on the good techs too like Corps development. In this game we must be facing that vast Confederate host that the detective Allan Pinkerton was always warning McClellan about.
LOL. Yeah...this is the Confederate Army that McClellan always worried about. What amazes me even more though is they have that AND a Navy.
4 Monitors and 3 River Ironclads is nothing:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_s ... tates_Navy
Re: About to quit. Confederate outnumbers Union troops...what am I missing?
Posted: Thu May 22, 2025 6:34 pm
by Tanaka
Bo Rearguard wrote: Thu May 22, 2025 2:18 pm
It's October 1861 against the Rebel AI and despite destroying 5 Confederate ground units already and losing none they've got 72 land units to my 56 and it'll probably get worse. (Yes, I have been building divisions) I guess it doesn't fit the historical image of a scrappy under-manned Confederate Army fighting vaster Union manpower. Luckily the AI isn't too bright likes to go on the offensive early and often leads with it's chin so eventually the Rebs get knocked down to size.
Rebel-Yank Ratio.jpg
The AI does get extra units via the scripts. You can turn these off...
Re: About to quit. Confederate outnumbers Union troops...what am I missing?
Posted: Thu May 22, 2025 6:43 pm
by Bo Rearguard
Tanaka wrote: Thu May 22, 2025 6:34 pm
The AI does get extra units via the scripts. You can turn these off...
Thanks, I had a feeling that might be the case. I never seem to be able to out-produce the Yanks in infantry early in the game when playing as the Confederacy.