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[WAD] 1674- Refueling logic still struggling
Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2025 10:46 pm
by kahta
There appear to be some issues with refuling. If you open this scenario and run on 2x flame you will find the following:
1) Aircraft will not refuel when told to do so manually. They will get stuck on "maneuvering to refuel" and then run out of fuel and crash.
2) Aircraft will ignore the max receiver queue and circle around the nearest tanker and crash.
3) Aircraft will remain on station without trying to refuel and crash.
Re: 1674- Refueling logic still struggling
Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2025 12:09 am
by Raptorx7_slith
When you have a large amount of tankers and aircraft that require refueling I recommend setting the maximum queue to 1 or 2 so that the aircraft spread out instead of waiting on 2-4 tankers since the default is basically unlimited. Also this isn't clear but the tanker settings (receivers per queue, percentage, ETC) NEEDS to be set for both missions (IE tanker and CAP) otherwise it will not be followed. In the save you provided none of these options are set but when I do add them I haven't observed any crashes other than problems with not enough tankers being available after a while
Re: 1674- Refueling logic still struggling
Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2025 11:57 am
by kahta
Raptorx7_slith wrote: Wed Jun 04, 2025 12:09 am
When you have a large amount of tankers and aircraft that require refueling I recommend setting the maximum queue to 1 or 2 so that the aircraft spread out instead of waiting on 2-4 tankers since the default is basically unlimited. Also this isn't clear but the tanker settings (receivers per queue, percentage, ETC) NEEDS to be set for both missions (IE tanker and CAP) otherwise it will not be followed. In the save you provided none of these options are set but when I do add them I haven't observed any crashes other than problems with not enough tankers being available after a while
Greats, thanks for the clarification!
Re: [WAD] 1674- Refueling logic still struggling
Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2025 3:11 pm
by zclark
With the attached scenario, what settings do I need to set in order to have an equal distribution of tankers to refuelers? Is there a way to allow receivers to take smaller fuel loads to allow other aircraft in que to get a little fuel to keep them airborne instead of having to wait until each aircraft is full before the next can take on some fuel?
As you can see below, the distribution is not balanced. Four tankers do not have receivers. STAR 8 has four aircraft in the process of refueling (not possible). Two tankers have almost half the total number of receivers in que.
Flight Diva 84 (KC-10)
STAR 5 - No receivers
STAR 8 - Redcock 6*, 12, 16*, 17, 25, 27*, 30* 33
STAR 9 - Redcock 4, 26, 28, 29
Gladiator 3 - No receivers
Flight Shocker 81 (KC-10)
STAR 7 -No receivers
STAR 11 - Redcock 8, 9, 18
Gladiator 1 - Redcock 1, 10, 15, 32, 36
Gladiator 2 - Redcock 2, 5, 11, 14, 19, 21, 22, 23, 24, 31, 40
Flight Warp 11 (KC-10)
STAR 6 - Redcock 7, 20, 37, 38, 39
STAR 10 - No receivers
STAR 12 -No receivers
Gladiator 4 - Redcock 3, 13, 34, 35
* = Refueling on single KC-10.
Flight Cowboy 68
Redcock 6,16,27,30
Flight Dagger 79
Redcock 11,15,32,36
Flight Hydra 29
Redcock 12,17,25,33
Flight Iron 66
Redcock 3,13,34,35
Flight Musket 89
Redcock 7,20,38,39
Flight Pepsi 36
Redcock 8,9,18,28
Flight Rebel 97
Redcock 5,14,21,22
Flight Smoke 65
Redcock 2,19,31,40
Flight Voodoo 96
Redcock 4,26,29,37
Flight Vulture 16
Redcock 1,10,23,24
Re: [WAD] 1674- Refueling logic still struggling
Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2025 3:55 pm
by kahta
Good question, I was about to ask a similar follow up on exactly what I need to do. I've tried setting the max to 1 and 2 for the providers and receivers and it's still acting odd.
Re: [WAD] 1674- Refueling logic still struggling
Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2025 6:12 pm
by Raptorx7_slith
Unfortunately the refueling logic is still unstable and their is functionally no AI that handles large amounts of aircraft refueling at a time. We're still working on improving this logic but another thing you can do to mitigate this is to try and create multiple tanker missions and cap/strike/ETC missions so that you can specify even more as to what tanker they refuel from. Sorry this isn't more intuitive right now
Re: [WAD] 1674- Refueling logic still struggling
Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2025 10:49 pm
by zclark
Understood, thanks for the response.