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Soviet 152mm M-10 Howitzer & Production Months
Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2025 3:52 pm
by Wiedrock
The production seems too high when taking the wikipedia figures at face value. Applying those numbers the current production during 1941 is about twice what it should be and the total available is ~40% too high.
Taking the figure 1939→END of June 1941 we get: 6+601+462=
1067
Spawning in GC we have: 655RDY+413DAM=
1068 →+184Pool=
1252
- M-10_spawn.png (35.01 KiB) Viewed 946 times
Production in GC we have: 55/turn →
605guns
- M-10_dates.png (44.98 KiB) Viewed 946 times
Gives a total of: 1252+605=
1857 ...which is about ~500guns or ~40% more then ever been produced.
- M-10_calculation.png (30.18 KiB) Viewed 946 times
Now, I do not know in how far this gun is supposed to represent/reflect another gun too, since I do not know every Soviet gun which may be similar, but this'd need to be a gun in quite large quantities from the 500 surplus we see, so I doubt it being a replacement in this quantity.
If there is no "representation" then the "correct" figures would need to be:
→ Pool: "0" (as can be seen, the 1939→06/1941 figure are 1068 vs 1067, perfectly matching)
→ Build Limit: "~25" (leading to 275 produced)
→ optional - max imports: 271
...or using another way reachign "correct" figures...
Obv. simplifying that June is 1st halve of 1941 here and assuming Wikipedia is correct.
Re: Soviet 152mm M-10 Howitzer production
Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2025 4:03 pm
by Wiedrock
Well...I though I got it. But apparently this time 08/1941 means it ends 07/1941? Is there difference between AFVs, Planes and Guns on that date system?! ...I rly thought I understood the system....
- M-10_example.png (59.42 KiB) Viewed 942 times
....but still ~60 produced too many
Re: Soviet 152mm M-10 Howitzer production
Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2025 4:18 pm
by Wiedrock
Wiedrock wrote: Tue Jun 10, 2025 4:03 pm
Well...I though I got it. But apparently this time 08/1941 means it ends 07/1941? Is there difference between AFVs, Planes and Guns on that date system?! ...I rly thought I understood the system....
The System differs...like srsly?
AFV 03/1944 means it still produces in 03/1944? (that's what I thought)
Gun 08/1941 means it DOES NOT PRODUCE in 08/1941?
WTF!
Re: Soviet 152mm M-10 Howitzer production
Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2025 4:36 pm
by Wiedrock
This are the "correct" production figures ([45] or [46+271max]). Accepting that the game uses at least 2 different systems for end dates of production.
Re: Soviet 152mm M-10 Howitzer production
Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2025 11:10 pm
by Denniss
End date should work the same for all types in which the last month should be the last production month. At least this was so in WitE/WitW and I doubt this has changed. Unless it's some kind of bug.
The only option production ends earlier should be with a saturated import limit.
Re: Soviet 152mm M-10 Howitzer production
Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2025 11:48 pm
by Wiedrock
Denniss wrote: Tue Jun 10, 2025 11:10 pm
End date should work the same for all types in which the last month should be the last production month. At least this was so in WitE/WitW and I doubt this has changed. Unless it's some kind of bug.
The only option production ends earlier should be with a saturated import limit.
That's what I hoped it'd be.
leFH18 ends 12/1941 but there will not be any production in December 1941 (2 different games: T26=500 or 506, T27=500 or 506).
Then the M-10 Howitzer (of this post) ends 08/1941 but there will not be any production in August 1941.
sPzB41 it's the same, ending 12/1943 but not having production in December 1943 (being 18/week vs ~1600 Pool isn't caused by the 100-turns production in pool-limit).
And then the AFVs and Planes, which keep producing till end of month.
T34 (see example posted before).
Pz IIIL end Month 06/1942 → T52: June 14th=1032 → T53: June 21st=1075.
He 177A-3 end month 12/1943 → T130: December 12th=590 → T131: December 19th=600
...to name some.
Now I know why I initially was like not knowing wtf was going on when tryign to figure it out, since there's two systems.
Re: Soviet 152mm M-10 Howitzer production
Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2025 12:48 am
by Denniss
unless its december 31 then production stops a week earlier, may also be on other 31st day of a month as that somehow bleeds into the next month for whatever reason.
The german AT-Rifle is produced up to its end date. Maybe because it does not have a turn build limit? or different class?
Re: Soviet 152mm M-10 Howitzer production
Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2025 10:40 am
by Wiedrock
Denniss wrote: Wed Jun 11, 2025 12:48 am
The german AT-Rifle is produced up to its end date. Maybe because it does not have a turn build limit? or different class?
I'd assume it has to do with the "build limt X" vs "need" production (since all the Squads work the same as the AFVs/Planes) ...at least I think ....or not.... (due to the usually high Pools hard to say)
Denniss wrote: Wed Jun 11, 2025 12:48 am
unless its december 31 then production stops a week earlier, may also be on other 31st day of a month as that somehow bleeds into the next month for whatever reason.
Not exactly sure what you mean. If you say that the week dated 31st of a month counts towards the "old month" then I agree (when it comes to AFVs/Planes).
The following is what I came up with (after looking at several (IIRC AFV's production)), the Month number indicates towards which "month" the turn counts and as I found it was always the first day of the week (so the date shown in the game) deciding which month a turn counts towards.
...but I also remember some oddities specifically on year switches but can't say for sure anymore.
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