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Galahad78 wrote: Fri Sep 26, 2025 9:40 am Really curious to see how WITP:AE's engine fits a mainly land war.

Well, that and that I'm Spanish, so this will be definitively a buy

does this mean to some of the longer ranged artillery pieces in the game will have a range of 2 hexes ?

jwilkerson wrote: Fri Sep 26, 2025 12:17 pm

Galahad78 wrote: Fri Sep 26, 2025 9:40 am Really curious to see how WITP:AE's engine fits a mainly land war.

Well, that and that I'm Spanish, so this will be definitively a buy

<<Really curious to see how WITP:AE's engine fits a mainly land war.>>

Short answer - "it doesn't" ... this is a 100% new engine ... inspired by AE, but sharing zero lines of code ... and we especially focus on completely redoing the ideas in the AE land movement/combat model, plus this is 5nm per hex, not 40nm per hex, so much more tactical.
Logistics is also 100% different, with rail lines, depots, rail capacity, trucks, wagons etc. moving supplies ... no "magic carpets" moving supplies.
And the AI is also 100% different, no "scripts" - this is a real AI, makes decisions unit by unit, every turn, based on friendly troops, supply, etc and enemy troops, supply, in that sector.

does this mean to some of the longer ranged artillery pieces in the game will have a range of 2 hexes ?

Absolutely, basically the 6" and above artillery can shoot into the next hex, the 75mm pieces same hex only.

jwilkerson wrote: Fri Sep 26, 2025 12:17 pm

Galahad78 wrote: Fri Sep 26, 2025 9:40 am Really curious to see how WITP:AE's engine fits a mainly land war.

Well, that and that I'm Spanish, so this will be definitively a buy

<<Really curious to see how WITP:AE's engine fits a mainly land war.>>

Short answer - "it doesn't" ... this is a 100% new engine ... inspired by AE, but sharing zero lines of code ... and we especially focus on completely redoing the ideas in the AE land movement/combat model, plus this is 5nm per hex, not 40nm per hex, so much more tactical.
Logistics is also 100% different, with rail lines, depots, rail capacity, trucks, wagons etc. moving supplies ... no "magic carpets" moving supplies.
And the AI is also 100% different, no "scripts" - this is a real AI, makes decisions unit by unit, every turn, based on friendly troops, supply, etc and enemy troops, supply, in that sector.

does this mean to some of the longer ranged artillery pieces in the game will have a range of 2 hexes ?

Absolutely, basically the 6" and above artillery can shoot into the next hex, the 75mm pieces same hex only.

Yaab wrote: Fri Sep 26, 2025 5:57 pm Are you planning to black-box ground combat routines or explain them in the manual?

RangerJoe wrote: Fri Sep 26, 2025 8:25 pm Some artillery units can fire at targets 2 hexes away which can ruin the targets whole day!

jwilkerson wrote: Fri Sep 26, 2025 12:17 pm ... basically the 6" and above artillery can shoot into the next hex, the 75mm pieces same hex only.

• a ground unit has to enter the enemy hex and travel into the centre of it (which I am fairly sure was the rules in WITP:AE and that introduced a delay of several days when they set off towards the enemy and then combat commenced, and combat could take place over several turns with both units in the same hex [though it's a few years since playing and I could have misremembered that]) or

• whether it has only to be in an adjoining hex with movement points to initiate an engagement with an enemy unit (which was the rules in WITE and WITW?).

potski wrote: Sat Sep 27, 2025 4:51 pm

RangerJoe wrote: Fri Sep 26, 2025 8:25 pm Some artillery units can fire at targets 2 hexes away which can ruin the targets whole day!

Which isn't what the lead developer says:

jwilkerson wrote: Fri Sep 26, 2025 12:17 pm ... basically the 6" and above artillery can shoot into the next hex, the 75mm pieces same hex only.

I guess that the version that I have been playing and testing is incorrect then.

I have a vague recollection that in WITP:AE that heavy artillery could support a unit in an adjoining hex, even when those hexes were 15 times bigger. Implying ranges of tens of miles, which wasn't very realistic for most of the artillery used in the Pacific. Same distances would be able to fire right over a hex in WIS.

I never had artillery in WITP:AE that could do that. Plus the hexes in WITP:AE are not 15 times larger.

Field guns in WW1 like the French 75mm or the British 18-Pounder had ranges of 4-5 miles (really weird that we are referring to miles in Spain ), that's the distance between two hexes. Larger siege artillery, like the British 9.2" howitzer could fire twice this distance, while the 6" Mk XIX gun could, in theory, strike targets almost 12 miles away.

It is nautical miles, not standard miles. Nautical miles are a standard measurement at sea. Thus, moving to land and keeping the same measurement system keeps it easier. The conversion is 5 nautical miles is 9.3 kilometers.

I think the issue to see is whether:

• a ground unit has to enter the enemy hex and travel into the centre of it (which I am fairly sure was the rules in WITP:AE and that introduced a delay of several days when they set off towards the enemy and then combat commenced, and combat could take place over several turns with both units in the same hex [though it's a few years since playing and I could have misremembered that]) or

They have to be in the same hex and fight for control. It might only take one turn or it could take many turns.

• whether it has only to be in an adjoining hex with movement points to initiate an engagement with an enemy unit (which was the rules in WITE and WITW?).

I never played those games.

If that latter is the case, then the battle takes place virtually along the borders of the hexes and the artillery attached to frontline units would be in the same hex even if a few miles back from the front line. And you have the option to have the heavy artillery (and perhaps some other support units) attached at corps/army level, one hex back, so two hexes from the enemy occupied hex, seems fine. I suspect that is exactly the situation as the video presentation showed not only a WITW/WITE type line up with enemy ground units all facing each other across from adjoining hexes, with none seemingly in each others hexes, but that representing two opposing armies in the same hex would be really difficult at that resolution.

... So the game description states "the first in a new wargame series, using a new Land-Sea-Air engine inspired by War in the Pacific - Admiral’s Edition", is there any information on what may follow this first game ? ...

Hello guys,

How long does it take for the beta test reply (approval or not)

Jose Antonio .... presente