An Aussie Affair.

[Raverdave]

*THIS IS AN ALPHA VERSION OF WiTP*


Well I've talked Luskan into doing a a PBEM with him as the IJN and me as the Allies. I have some plans that will stray from history, but that is only because I feel that the politians of the day got it wrong. PLEASE REMEMBER THE THIS GAME IS STILL IN ALPHA, AND THIS PBEM IS BEING DONE MAINLY FOR YOUR ENJOYMENT AS MUCH AS FOR TESTING. ANY BUGS OR STRANGE COMBAT RESULTS THAT GET MISSED IN THE EDITTING BEFORE IT IS POSTED HERE WILL NOT BE DISCUSSED (HOWEVER I WOULD WELCOME ANY COMMENTS ON FAULTY OOB) Those of you who have followed the three AARs that we posted in UV will know what to expect......for the rest of you...grab the popcorn, crack a beer, sit back and enjoy!

[Deathifier]

The three you two did for UV were highly amusing once things got going!

I look forward to see what you get up to in this WitP behemoth

- Deathifier

[Luskan]

I get an email from Raver calling me a boofhead, insulting my intelligence and smacking me in the mouth with a gauntlet! How could I refuse?

Happy for any criticisms or comments anyone wants to post - as long as you take the alpha disclaimer blah blah blah (hell, if I loose this you all know I'm going to blame the build etc.).

Raver has dropped a hint that he is going to do what the australian government of the time should have done. If anyone knows what that is, it is never too late to post I mean, it could really only be three options right?

a: save the aussie divisions from the disaster at singapore by pulling them out and sending them to india,

b: pushing the aussies north to the solomons, rabaul and PNG strongholds on day 1 (even with the starting advantage I've got, if he decides to do this he'll get there first by a long way),

or c: withdrawing from the commonwealth, leaving the allied side and declaring war on all the other nations of the earth, be they allied, axis or neutral, and subsequently conquering them all in order to spread the four gospels of rugby, AFL, beer and tall women . . . It is what I'd have done!

I have already completed an extremely long first turn (finding all the arty units sitting around the home islands and sending them off to my defensive perimeter on the mainland took ages - not mobile enough to use in invasions etc.) I expect the rest to run like clockwork.

I'm not going to overextend myself, and hopefully Raver won't be able to resist and will rush reinforcements in (since I'm not advancing too quick) and then I'll nail the bastard.

I, like many other Aussies on the forum have already expressed, am thoroughly looking forward to bombing New Zealand.

[Hornblower]

Allthought choice "c" sounds most likely, I'd go with "A". But send em back to Darwin, or some west coast base. Wasn't Australian's PM Curtin, a not so big fan of Churchill's plan of battle? I believe- and correct me if I am wrong- he wanted to pull all of his country's units out of Europe and redeploy them at the home front.

[Mike Scholl]

Allthought choice "c" sounds most likely, I'd go with "A". But send em back to Darwin, or some west coast base. Wasn't Australian's PM Curtin, a not so big fan of Churchill's plan of battle? I believe- and correct me if I am wrong- he wanted to pull all of his country's units out of Europe and redeploy them at the home front.

If the Austrailians had really been smart they would have withdrawn ALL their
troops from Europe and Africa the day Churchill announced he was sending
troops to Greece. Winnie was a marvelous talker, but a disaster at strategy.

[Mr.Frag]

Bah, leave them criminals to their own devices and kick them out of the Commonwealth! Never understood why they stuck up for the UK in the first place, they would have been better off to cut a deal with Japan and split the conquests down the middle

[herbieh]

Bomb anything KIWI, Blast anything Kiwi, send all forces available to Kiwi land, destroy Kiwi land!!!, and remove any vestige of the menace to the empire going by the name wobbly!

[Nikademus]

Bah, leave them criminals to their own devices and kick them out of the Commonwealth! Never understood why they stuck up for the UK in the first place, they would have been better off to cut a deal with Japan and split the conquests down the middle

yo Frag....."Take off....Dude"

ba ha ha

[Raverdave]

If the Austrailians had really been smart they would have withdrawn ALL their
troops from Europe and Africa the day Churchill announced he was sending
troops to Greece. Winnie was a marvelous talker, but a disaster at strategy.

Spot on ! Winston was still fixated with the dardenelles (S?) even as late as '43.

Australia copped a raw deal during WW2...no thanks to Churchill.

[wobbly]

I, like many other Aussies on the forum have already expressed, am thoroughly looking forward to bombing New Zealand.

As always the Aussies have got the wrong end of the strategic stick. If you want to kill more Kiwis bomb Sydney (just don't hit homebush stadium - we have a date with that venue in late November!).

[Mike Scholl]

Spot on ! Winston was still fixated with the dardenelles (S?) even as late as '43.

Australia copped a raw deal during WW2...no thanks to Churchill.

And I am sorry to say as an American, Douglas MacArthur treated the Aussies
pretty shabbily as well. Shows great restraint that no Aussie ever punched
that ego-maniac in the nose.

[Raverdave]

The morning sun rises on the pacific nations but it's cheerful rays cannot penetrate the political gloom the that has settled on the region.

For months now there has been a deepening rift between the British and Australian governments over the issue of the 2nd AIF, and British resistance to allow the Aussie troops to return home. Churchill has been arguing that in the light of baseless threats there is little need to release troops that are sorely needed in the Middle East, and indeed if a threat was to arise, the British fleet based at Singapore is well placed to defend the interests of the British Empire and those of the Commonwealth. Singapore itself, is one of the great fortresses and has been built to withstand and repel any attack upon it.

Such soothing reassurances however have done little to calm the Australian Government , which is increasing concerned with it's lack of defensive measures in the face of growing Japanese imperialistic designs on the region. The Australian Government has slowly become aware of the fallacy of the "Fortress Singapore" myth but now finds itself trapped by it's own lies. For the last twenty years it has been happy to allow the nations' military to wind down always pointing to Singapore as the bulwark against the "yellow peril". It was always cheaper to help fund the construction of Singapore than it was to support a large armed forces. Having continually fed the public the line that Singapore will defend Australia, it is difficult if not political suicide to now claim that it is all a sham.
Reports now coming from top military aids paint a depressing picture, the cream of the Australian Army is half a world away fighting the Germans in the Middle East, (and the British strategy in the mid east has been at times spotty, what with the disaster in Greece and Crete) the Royal Australian Navy has it's most experienced fighting ships based in the Mediterranean and Britton has still not come through with the promise of modern fighters and bombers for the defence of Australia even though thousands of airmen and being sent to England to serve in the airwar. it all seems like a one-way street, in Britains favoured.

If the Japanese were to strike south, there is little or nothing to defend Australia.

The Dutch Government in-exile has simular worries, but is loath to push the British too hard as their homeland is now under the yoke of the Nazis and for better or worse the Dutch hope lays with the British in regaining a Europe free of Hitler.......to push the English in the east is to jeopardize the liberation of Holland.

Britton for it's part is increasingly worried about Australia's attitude towards the war. Churchill is committed if not blinded to a "Germany first" policy and the continual snipping from the antipodes is wearing thin. Take the outrages demand by the Australian Government that the Australian elements of the Tobruk garrison should be withdrawn lest it fall. (The last Australian troops were replaced over a period stretching from August to December 1941 by an all British garrison......Tobruk subsequently fell soon after). That demand alone caused a huge rift in relations between Downing St and Canberra. And now the Australians are demanding more troops be sent home for a defence of a yet to be defined threat from Japan? To bend to the Australian demands would put a serious strain on the rest of the Commonwealth, if we open ourselves up to the Australian Government demands, then what is to stop other Commonwealth Governments from making spurious demands?
And what if Japan does strike? What is the worse that could happen? It might try and take the Philippines but that would only bring the US into the war (something to be encouraged). It could even take Hong Kong (mainly garrisoned with Canadian troops) and maybe launch attacks against Singapore, but even if it did so, it is not as serious a threat to the British mainland as is Germany, hence the "Germany First" Policy. If anything the worse thing that could happen is an attack by Japan on the USSR, this would bleed the soviets on two fronts and ease pressure on the Germans -even though they are making astounding gains the moment - and not necessarily bring in the Americans into the war.
No all in all the far east is just that, the FAR east. Better to let things find their own level, and hope like hell the Japanese do something stupid.


The US for it's part is untouched by war, and is struggling to decide if it shall commit it's sons' once again to a European battlefield. But already the things are already afoot, with the recent signing of the lend-lease act, American industry is already part of the European war if only in name. But there are disturbing signals coming from the Pacific. Japan which seems intent on the wholesale destruction of China but has been slapped in the face by an oil embargo. Sure things diplomatically are a bit tense but Japan knows the there is a large US Fleet in Hawaii that is more than it's match, as well as the large well prepared defences in the Philippines.

No all told it is just another lazy sunny Sunday morning in the pacific.

[Luskan]

Well, one turn in and already things are going very very wrong. I lost 40 aircraft in AIR TO AIR COMBAT at pearl. Hell, I'll just post the results and let the mob start lynching people later.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 12/07/41

Air attack on Davao , at 41,61

Japanese aircraft
A5M4 Claude x 9
B5N Kate x 12

Japanese aircraft losses
B5N Kate x 1 damaged

Runway hits 9

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x B5N Kate bombing at 5000 feet

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Air attack on Pearl Harbor , at 112,68

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 90
D3A Val x 135
B5N Kate x 144

Allied aircraft
P-26A x 5
P-36A Mohawk x 2
P-40B Tomahawk x 18

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero x 21 destroyed
A6M2 Zero x 17 damaged
D3A Val x 25 destroyed
D3A Val x 48 damaged
B5N Kate x 22 destroyed
B5N Kate x 37 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
P-26A x 1 damaged
P-36A Mohawk x 1 damaged
P-40B Tomahawk x 3 damaged

Allied Ships
BB Tennessee, Bomb hits 21, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
BB Maryland, Bomb hits 12, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
BB West Virginia, Bomb hits 15, Torpedo hits 5, on fire, heavy damage
BB Pennsylvania, Bomb hits 14, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
BB Oklahoma, Bomb hits 11, Torpedo hits 4, on fire, heavy damage
DD Dale, Bomb hits 1, on fire
AV Tangier, Bomb hits 1
BB Nevada, Bomb hits 18, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
DMS Chandler, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
BB California, Bomb hits 11, Torpedo hits 3, on fire
BB Arizona, Bomb hits 12, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
CA San Francisco, Bomb hits 1
CL Honolulu, Bomb hits 1
AD Dobbin, Bomb hits 1, on fire
SS Dolphin, Bomb hits 1, on fire
DD Tucker, Bomb hits 1, on fire
CL St. Louis, Bomb hits 1
SS Tautog, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
AD Whitney, Bomb hits 2, on fire
CL Phoenix, Bomb hits 1
ML Ogalala, Bomb hits 1, on fire
CL Raleigh, Bomb hits 1
CA New Orleans, Bomb hits 1, on fire

Aircraft Attacking:
11 x A6M2 Zero bombing at 1000 feet
7 x D3A Val bombing at 1000 feet
24 x B5N Kate bombing at 20000 feet
9 x A6M2 Zero bombing at 1000 feet
25 x D3A Val bombing at 1000 feet
24 x B5N Kate bombing at 20000 feet
11 x A6M2 Zero bombing at 1000 feet
16 x D3A Val bombing at 1000 feet
13 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
14 x A6M2 Zero bombing at 1000 feet
12 x D3A Val bombing at 1000 feet
14 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
14 x A6M2 Zero bombing at 1000 feet
26 x D3A Val bombing at 1000 feet
25 x B5N Kate bombing at 20000 feet
15 x A6M2 Zero bombing at 1000 feet
25 x D3A Val bombing at 1000 feet
26 x B5N Kate bombing at 20000 feet

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Air attack on Changsha , at 47,36

Japanese aircraft
Ki-27 Nate x 15
Ki-30 Ann x 9
Ki-15 Babs x 1

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-30 Ann x 2 damaged

Runway hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x Ki-30 Ann bombing at 1000 feet

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Air attack on Manila , at 43,52

Japanese aircraft
G4M1 Betty x 35

Allied aircraft
P-26A x 6
P-40E Kittyhawk x 11

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty x 2 destroyed
G4M1 Betty x 13 damaged


Allied Ships
SS S-41, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DD John D. Ford, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
SS Shark, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
SS Perch, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
SS Salmon, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
SS Seal, Bomb hits 1, on fire
SS Sailfish, Bomb hits 1, on fire
SS Pickerel, Bomb hits 1, on fire
SS Spearfish, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
SS Snapper, Bomb hits 1, on fire
SS Porpoise, Bomb hits 1
AV Langley, Bomb hits 1, on fire
SS Seadragon, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
SS Stingray, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
AK Anakan, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
SS Sculpin, Bomb hits 1, on fire

Aircraft Attacking:
10 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 6000 feet
14 x G4M1 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
6 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 6000 feet
3 x G4M1 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet

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Air attack on Clark Field , at 43,51

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 50
G3M Nell x 36

Allied aircraft
P-40B Tomahawk x 5
P-40E Kittyhawk x 5

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero x 1 destroyed
G3M Nell x 2 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
P-40B Tomahawk x 1 destroyed
P-40B Tomahawk x 1 damaged
P-40E Kittyhawk x 2 destroyed

Airbase hits 2
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 17

Aircraft Attacking:
24 x G3M Nell bombing at 6000 feet
6 x G3M Nell bombing at 6000 feet
3 x G3M Nell bombing at 6000 feet
3 x G3M Nell bombing at 6000 feet

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Air attack on Batan Island , at 47,47

Japanese aircraft
C5M Babs x 1
Ki-27 Nate x 24
Ki-30 Ann x 20
Ki-15 Babs x 3
Ki-36 Ida x 1

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-30 Ann x 1 destroyed
Ki-30 Ann x 2 damaged
Ki-15 Babs x 1 damaged


Allied ground losses:
Men lost 10

Airbase hits 1
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 8

Aircraft Attacking:
19 x Ki-30 Ann bombing at 1000 feet

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Air attack on TF at 111,66

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 26

Allied aircraft
P-26A x 3
P-36A Mohawk x 9
P-40B Tomahawk x 34
B-18A Bolo x 8
A-20B Boston x 3
B-17C Fortress x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero x 9 destroyed
A6M2 Zero x 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
P-26A x 1 destroyed
P-36A Mohawk x 1 destroyed
P-40B Tomahawk x 2 destroyed
P-40B Tomahawk x 3 damaged
B-18A Bolo x 6 damaged
A-20B Boston x 2 damaged
B-17C Fortress x 1 destroyed
B-17C Fortress x 2 damaged

Japanese Ships
CV Soryu
BB Hiei
CV Shokaku

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x B-17C Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
4 x B-18A Bolo bombing at 6000 feet
3 x A-20B Boston bombing at 6000 feet
4 x B-18A Bolo bombing at 6000 feet

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Air attack on TF, near Vigan at 44,49


Allied aircraft
P-40B Tomahawk x 8
P-40E Kittyhawk x 11
B-17C Fortress x 4


Allied aircraft losses
B-17C Fortress x 5 damaged

Japanese Ships
BB Haruna

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x B-17C Fortress bombing at 6000 feet

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Air attack on TF, near Songkhia at 24,43


Allied aircraft
Hudson I x 7


no losses

Japanese Ships
DD Shinonome
DD Isonami

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Hudson I bombing at 6000 feet
4 x Hudson I bombing at 6000 feet

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Air attack on TF, near Khota Bharu at 24,45


Allied aircraft
Swordfish x 7
Buffalo I x 23
Blenheim IV x 6


Allied aircraft losses
Swordfish x 2 destroyed
Swordfish x 3 damaged
Blenheim IV x 5 damaged

Japanese Ships
CA Suzuya
CA Kumano
CA Mogami

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Swordfish bombing at 5000 feet
2 x Blenheim IV bombing at 6000 feet
2 x Swordfish bombing at 5000 feet
4 x Blenheim IV bombing at 6000 feet

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Air attack on TF, near Khota Bharu at 24,45


Allied aircraft
Blenheim I x 3
Hudson I x 9


no losses

Japanese Ships
AK Nako Maru
AK Sasako Maru
AP Mogamigawa Maru

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x Hudson I bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Blenheim I bombing at 6000 feet
4 x Hudson I bombing at 6000 feet
4 x Hudson I bombing at 6000 feet

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Air attack on TF, near Songkhia at 24,43


Allied aircraft
Blenheim I x 3


no losses

Japanese Ships
AP Meiu Maru

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Blenheim I bombing at 6000 feet

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Air attack on TF, near Songkhia at 24,43


Allied aircraft
Hudson I x 3


Allied aircraft losses
Hudson I x 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
AP Mexico Maru

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Hudson I bombing at 6000 feet

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Air attack on TF, near Songkhia at 24,43


Allied aircraft
Blenheim I x 5
Hudson I x 3


Allied aircraft losses
Blenheim I x 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
AP Meisho Maru
AP Iwaki Maru
AP Eihuku Maru

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x Blenheim I bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Hudson I bombing at 6000 feet
4 x Blenheim I bombing at 6000 feet

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Air attack on TF, near Pescadores at 47,43


Allied aircraft
B-17C Fortress x 4


Allied aircraft losses
B-17C Fortress x 4 damaged

Japanese Ships
AP Koyo Maru

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x B-17C Fortress bombing at 6000 feet

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TF 20 troops unloading over beach at Guam, 62 x 66


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TF 84 troops unloading over beach at Davao, 41 x 61

Coastal Guns at Davao (hex 41 x 61), firing at TF 84

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TF 85 troops unloading over beach at Khota Bharu, 24 x 45

Coastal Guns at Khota Bharu (hex 24 x 45), firing at TF 85

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TF 86 troops unloading over beach at Menado, 39 x 67

Coastal Guns at Menado (hex 39 x 67), firing at TF 86

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TF 87 troops unloading over beach at Aparri, 46 x 49


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TF 88 troops unloading over beach at Vigan, 44 x 49


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TF 89 troops unloading over beach at Legaspi, 44 x 55


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TF 90 troops unloading over beach at Batan Island, 47 x 47


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TF 92 troops unloading over beach at Kendari, 33 x 71


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TF 99 troops unloading over beach at Rabaul, 61 x 88

Coastal Guns at Rabaul (hex 61 x 88), firing at TF 99

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Ground combat at Khota Bharu

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 4956 troops, 44 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 6245 troops, 54 guns, 3 vehicles


Japanese ground losses:
Men lost 33
Guns lost 1



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Ground combat at Menado

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 1303 troops, 11 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 2653 troops, 31 guns, 0 vehicles


Japanese ground losses:
Men lost 32
Guns lost 1

Allied ground losses:
Men lost 2




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Ground combat at Rabaul

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 974 troops, 3 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 2063 troops, 15 guns, 0 vehicles


Japanese ground losses:
Men lost 28



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Ground combat at Davao

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 1569 troops, 19 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 2503 troops, 14 guns, 1 vehicles




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Ground combat at Batan Island

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 799 troops, 8 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 702 troops, 6 guns, 2 vehicles

Japanese assault odds: 38 to 1 (fort level 0)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Batan Island base !!!


Japanese ground losses:
Men lost 45

Allied ground losses:
Men lost 1292
Guns lost 6



Hoping I can cull Raver's troops in singapore - I definitely dont want them escaping to garrison the west australian coast.

[Mike_B20]

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 90
D3A Val x 135
B5N Kate x 144

Allied aircraft
P-26A x 5
P-36A Mohawk x 2
P-40B Tomahawk x 18

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero x 21 destroyed
A6M2 Zero x 17 damaged
D3A Val x 25 destroyed
D3A Val x 48 damaged
B5N Kate x 22 destroyed
B5N Kate x 37 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
P-26A x 1 damaged
P-36A Mohawk x 1 damaged
P-40B Tomahawk x 3 damaged

[madflava13]

Bad news bears getting so many subs hit in Manila... I think thats going to hurt you more than anything at this point...

[Mr.Frag]

Luskan, might I inquire as to why you didn't park 3 divisions + some MSW (minefields in port) into Manilla as a cutoff point and save your air force boys for something worth fighting instead of wasting them over Clark?

Or are you two going to play a historical version?

[mogami]

Hi, I think he lost so many A6M2 at PH because he set them to sweep 100 feet and AA shot them to pieces.

[TIMJOT]

Luskan, might I inquire as to why you didn't park 3 divisions + some MSW (minefields in port) into Manilla as a cutoff point and save your air force boys for something worth fighting instead of wasting them over Clark?

Or are you two going to play a historical version?

Nothing personal Mr Frag, as I am sure that is a perfectly viable strategy in this current alpha build, but if that utterly nonsensical strategy results in anything less than mass sepu-ku for the IJN, then something is very, very wrong.


NOTE: The minefields guarding Manila bay were "wired" and could be manually detonated from a control center on Corrigedore. Not to mention those MSW would be sweeping under the sights of:

8 x 14" guns
8 x 12" guns
22 x 12" motars
2 x 10" guns
2 x 8" guns
11 x 6" guns
38 x 3" guns
21 x 155 mm guns

Why the Manila & Singapore CDs are modeled so lightly in the game is beyond me, when you considered historically the Japanese did all they could to avoid them, its inexcusable.

Regards

[Mr.Frag]

Why the Manila & Singapore CDs are modeled so lightly in the game is beyond me

Singapore ate three divisions worth of a invasion fleet as it should.

Manilla based on map layout didn't work out quite so well, Bataan ends up with Corregidor CD unit (which would wipe out the fleet completely) but can't fire into the neighboring hex (Manilla). I know this has been tossed around before with various potential solutions, but I can only test/play what I am given

If the CD is not there to fire, it's not there to fire. Not much we can do about it at this point.

Thats the reason I asked if they were going down the historical path or going all out, unrestricted by rules that do not exist in the game at this point in time...

[Luskan]

Nothing personal Mr Frag, as I am sure that is a perfectly viable strategy in this current alpha build, but if that utterly nonsensical strategy results in anything less than mass sepu-ku for the IJN, then something is very, very wrong.


NOTE: The minefields guarding Manila bay were "wired" and could be manually detonated from a control center on Corrigedore. Not to mention those MSW would be sweeping under the sights of:

8 x 14" guns
8 x 12" guns
22 x 12" motars
2 x 10" guns
2 x 8" guns
11 x 6" guns
38 x 3" guns
21 x 155 mm guns

Why the Manila & Singapore CDs are modeled so lightly in the game is beyond me, when you considered historically the Japanese did all they could to avoid them, its inexcusable.

Regards

This is exactly why I didn't pile a bunch of troops into Manila. that and the dozens of pt boats - ease of bombing etc.

Well, things not going very well at this stage. Crazy losses at pearl harbour (Mog - the zeroes were all set to Escort, and 2 squadrons set to escort/port attack).

My troops stole Kendari from the surprised garrison and base force and pretty much spanked them (and 4 enemy transports were sunk in the harbour). Also IJN units landed at Davao took the base in a brilliant shock attack - although the base force and garrison (if there was one) have been pushed out but not destroyed. Will remedy that soon enough.

My troops also made progress at stealing Menado, Rabaul, and Khota Bharu, as well as unloading (but not attacking) on the northern end of Luzon, Legaspi, and taking Guam. One of my subs took a minelayer down of pearl, while Prince of Wales and Repulse have escaped I think. To date I have lost no ships (although Raver's planes at rabaul got some hits, and a few more hits on Malaya) but have sunk plenty of ravers. 5 PTs, 4 scuttled transports, 1 dd, 3 pgs, 3 subs, and hopefully some bbs (langley also copped some bomb hits, lets hope she sinks too).

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 12/08/41

TF 20 troops unloading over beach at Guam, 62 x 66


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TF 84 troops unloading over beach at Davao, 41 x 61

Coastal Guns at Davao (hex 41 x 61), firing at TF 84

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TF 85 troops unloading over beach at Khota Bharu, 24 x 45

Coastal Guns at Khota Bharu (hex 24 x 45), firing at TF 85

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TF 86 troops unloading over beach at Menado, 39 x 67

Coastal Guns at Menado (hex 39 x 67), firing at TF 86

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TF 87 troops unloading over beach at Aparri, 46 x 49


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TF 88 troops unloading over beach at Vigan, 44 x 49


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TF 89 troops unloading over beach at Legaspi, 44 x 55


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TF 92 troops unloading over beach at Kendari, 33 x 71


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TF 99 troops unloading over beach at Rabaul, 61 x 88

Coastal Guns at Rabaul (hex 61 x 88), firing at TF 99

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Night Time Surface Combat, near San Marcelino at 43,50

Japanese Ships
CL Kashii, Shell hits 2
CL Isuzu
DD Kasasagi
DD Kari, Shell hits 2, on fire
DD Kiji
DD Kamo

Allied Ships
DD Paul Jones
DD Peary, Shell hits 10, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DD Pillsbury
DD Pope, Shell hits 1


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TF 20 troops unloading over beach at Guam, 62 x 66


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TF 84 troops unloading over beach at Davao, 41 x 61

Coastal Guns at Davao (hex 41 x 61), firing at TF 84

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TF 85 troops unloading over beach at Khota Bharu, 24 x 45

Coastal Guns at Khota Bharu (hex 24 x 45), firing at TF 85

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TF 87 troops unloading over beach at Aparri, 46 x 49


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TF 88 troops unloading over beach at Vigan, 44 x 49


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TF 89 troops unloading over beach at Legaspi, 44 x 55


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Sub attack at 111,67

Japanese Ships
SS I-17

Allied Ships
ML Ogalala, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage


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Air attack on TF, near Legaspi at 44,55

Japanese aircraft
A5M4 Claude x 3

Allied aircraft
P-40B Tomahawk x 6
P-40E Kittyhawk x 9
B-17C Fortress x 3

no losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-17C Fortress x 3 damaged

Japanese Ships
DD Amatsukaze

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-17C Fortress bombing at 6000 feet

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Air attack on TF, near Vigan at 44,49


Allied aircraft
B-17C Fortress x 3


Allied aircraft losses
B-17C Fortress x 3 damaged

Japanese Ships
BB Haruna

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-17C Fortress bombing at 6000 feet

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Air attack on TF, near Songkhia at 24,43


Allied aircraft
Hudson I x 3


no losses

Japanese Ships
CL Sendai

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Hudson I bombing at 6000 feet

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Air attack on TF, near Khota Bharu at 24,45


Allied aircraft
Hudson I x 7


Allied aircraft losses
Hudson I x 1 destroyed
Hudson I x 6 damaged

Japanese Ships
CA Mikuma

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Hudson I bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Hudson I bombing at 6000 feet

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Air attack on TF, near Khota Bharu at 24,45


Allied aircraft
Blenheim I x 3


Allied aircraft losses
Blenheim I x 1 destroyed
Blenheim I x 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
AP Ayatosan Maru

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x Blenheim I bombing at 6000 feet

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Air attack on TF, near Songkhia at 24,43


Allied aircraft
Blenheim IV x 4


no losses

Japanese Ships
AK Asakasan Maru

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x Blenheim IV bombing at 6000 feet

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Air attack on TF, near Rabaul at 61,88


Allied aircraft
Wirraway x 8
Hudson I x 3


Allied aircraft losses
Wirraway x 2 damaged
Hudson I x 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
AK Hokkai Maru
AP Haruna Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x Wirraway bombing at 1000 feet
3 x Hudson I bombing at 6000 feet
4 x Wirraway bombing at 1000 feet

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Air attack on TF, near Songkhia at 24,43


Allied aircraft
Hudson I x 5


Allied aircraft losses
Hudson I x 2 damaged

Japanese Ships
AP Yamagata Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire
AK Tetsuzan Maru

Japanese ground losses:
Men lost 20

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x Hudson I bombing at 6000 feet
4 x Hudson I bombing at 6000 feet

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Air attack on TF, near Songkhia at 24,43


Allied aircraft
Hudson I x 3


Allied aircraft losses
Hudson I x 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
AP Iwaki Maru, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Hudson I bombing at 6000 feet

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Air attack on TF, near Songkhia at 24,43


Allied aircraft
Buffalo I x 21
Blenheim IV x 4


no losses

Japanese Ships
AP Haguro Maru

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x Blenheim IV bombing at 6000 feet

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Air attack on TF, near Boac at 43,54

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 24
G3M Nell x 24

Allied aircraft
P-40E Kittyhawk x 7

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero x 1 destroyed
G3M Nell x 1 destroyed
G3M Nell x 6 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
P-40E Kittyhawk x 1 destroyed

Allied Ships
PG Asheville, Torpedo hits 4, on fire, heavy damage
PG Isabel
PG Tulsa

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x G3M Nell launching torpedoes at 200 feet
2 x G3M Nell launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x G3M Nell launching torpedoes at 200 feet
3 x G3M Nell launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x G3M Nell launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x G3M Nell launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x G3M Nell launching torpedoes at 200 feet

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Air attack on TF at 40,53

Japanese aircraft
B5N Kate x 8

Japanese aircraft losses
B5N Kate x 1 destroyed
B5N Kate x 4 damaged

Allied Ships
AS Holland

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x B5N Kate bombing at 15000 feet

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Air attack on Cagayan , at 42,59

Japanese aircraft
A5M4 Claude x 9
B5N Kate x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
B5N Kate x 1 damaged

Runway hits 3

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x B5N Kate bombing at 5000 feet

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Air attack on Manila , at 43,52

Japanese aircraft
G4M1 Betty x 38

Allied aircraft
P-26A x 6
P-40E Kittyhawk x 11

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty x 1 destroyed
G4M1 Betty x 2 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
P-26A x 1 destroyed
P-26A x 1 damaged

Allied Ships
AV Langley, Bomb hits 4, on fire, heavy damage


Allied ground losses:
Men lost 6

Port hits 3

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 6000 feet
9 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 6000 feet
6 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 6000 feet
3 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 6000 feet
3 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 6000 feet

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Air attack on Clark Field , at 43,51

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 47
G3M Nell x 18

Allied aircraft
P-40B Tomahawk x 3
P-40E Kittyhawk x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero x 1 destroyed
G3M Nell x 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
P-40B Tomahawk x 1 destroyed
P-40E Kittyhawk x 1 destroyed


Allied ground losses:
Men lost 25

Airbase hits 2
Runway hits 8

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x G3M Nell bombing at 6000 feet
8 x G3M Nell bombing at 6000 feet
6 x G3M Nell bombing at 6000 feet

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Air attack on TF, near Khota Bharu at 24,45


Allied aircraft
Blenheim I x 9
Hudson I x 6


Allied aircraft losses
Blenheim I x 1 destroyed
Blenheim I x 4 damaged
Hudson I x 3 damaged

Japanese Ships
CA Kumano
CA Mikuma
CA Suzuya

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x Blenheim I bombing at 6000 feet
2 x Hudson I bombing at 6000 feet
2 x Blenheim I bombing at 6000 feet
4 x Blenheim I bombing at 6000 feet
4 x Hudson I bombing at 6000 feet

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Air attack on TF, near Khota Bharu at 24,45


Allied aircraft
Blenheim I x 6


Allied aircraft losses
Blenheim I x 1 destroyed
Blenheim I x 5 damaged

Japanese Ships
CA Kumano
CA Mikuma

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x Blenheim I bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Blenheim I bombing at 6000 feet

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Air attack on TF, near Khota Bharu at 24,45


Allied aircraft
Buffalo I x 22
Blenheim IV x 9


Allied aircraft losses
Blenheim IV x 1 destroyed
Blenheim IV x 2 damaged

Japanese Ships
CA Suzuya
DD Maikaze
CA Mogami

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x Blenheim IV bombing at 6000 feet
2 x Blenheim IV bombing at 6000 feet
4 x Blenheim IV bombing at 6000 feet

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Air attack on TF, near Rabaul at 61,88


Allied aircraft
Wirraway x 7
Hudson I x 3


Allied aircraft losses
Wirraway x 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
AP Amakasu Maru #1, Bomb hits 1, on fire
AP Kunimitsu Maru

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Wirraway bombing at 1000 feet
3 x Hudson I bombing at 6000 feet
4 x Wirraway bombing at 1000 feet

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Air attack on TF at 40,53

Japanese aircraft
B5N Kate x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
B5N Kate x 1 destroyed
B5N Kate x 2 damaged

Allied Ships
AS Holland

Aircraft Attacking:
5 x B5N Kate bombing at 15000 feet

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Air attack on TF, near Boac at 43,54

Japanese aircraft
B5N Kate x 37

no losses

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x B5N Kate bombing at 15000 feet
4 x B5N Kate bombing at 5000 feet
9 x B5N Kate bombing at 15000 feet
9 x B5N Kate bombing at 15000 feet
4 x B5N Kate bombing at 5000 feet
4 x B5N Kate bombing at 5000 feet

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Day Time Surface Combat, near Vigan at 44,49

Japanese Ships
BB Kongo
BB Haruna
CA Takao
CA Atago
CL Jintsu
DD Asashio
DD Oshio
DD Michishio
DD Arashio
DD Akatsuki
DD Hibiki

Allied Ships
PT PT-31
PT PT-32
PT PT-33
PT PT-34
PT PT-35
PT PT-41, Shell hits 6, and is sunk


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Day Time Surface Combat, near Vigan at 44,49

Japanese Ships
BB Kongo, Torpedo hits 1 - at day time this is just crazy.
BB Haruna
CA Takao
CA Atago
CL Jintsu
DD Asashio
DD Oshio
DD Michishio
DD Arashio
DD Akatsuki
DD Hibiki

Allied Ships
PT PT-31
PT PT-32
PT PT-33, Shell hits 8, and is sunk
PT PT-34, Shell hits 8, and is sunk
PT PT-35, Shell hits 10, on fire, heavy damage


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Day Time Surface Combat, near Vigan at 44,49

Japanese Ships
CL Naka
DD Natsugumo
DD Minegumo
DD Asagumo
DD Murasame
DD Harusame
DD Yudachi
DD Samidare

Allied Ships
PT PT-31, Shell hits 26, and is sunk
PT PT-32
PT PT-35, and is sunk




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Ground combat at Menado

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 4764 troops, 32 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 1995 troops, 16 guns, 2 vehicles

Japanese assault odds: 3 to 1 (fort level 2)

Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 0 - next turn I'll steal it.


Japanese ground losses:
Men lost 41
Guns lost 1

Allied ground losses:
Men lost 219
Guns lost 8
Vehicles lost 1




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Ground combat at Rabaul

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 2562 troops, 13 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 2456 troops, 14 guns, 2 vehicles

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 3)

Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 2 - lots more troops there now, should have it next turn too.


Japanese ground losses:
Men lost 15
Guns lost 1

Allied ground losses:
Men lost 83
Guns lost 2




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Ground combat at Kendari

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 2471 troops, 16 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 1063 troops, 11 guns, 2 vehicles

Japanese assault odds: 10 to 1 (fort level 2)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Kendari base !!!


Japanese ground losses:
Men lost 2
Guns lost 1

Allied ground losses:
Men lost 1514
Guns lost 8



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Ground combat at Khota Bharu

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 5007 troops, 44 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 16262 troops, 228 guns, 14 vehicles


Japanese ground losses:
Men lost 15
Guns lost 2
Vehicles lost 1




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Ground combat at Menado

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 1010 troops, 1 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 4703 troops, 30 guns, 0 vehicles

Allied assault odds: 0 to 1 (fort level 0)


Japanese ground losses:
Men lost 12
Guns lost 1

Allied ground losses:
Men lost 159


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Ground combat at Rabaul

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 874 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 2540 troops, 11 guns, 0 vehicles

Allied assault odds: 0 to 1 (fort level 0)


Japanese ground losses:
Men lost 20

Allied ground losses:
Men lost 12




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Ground combat at Davao

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 1600 troops, 19 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 6340 troops, 42 guns, 11 vehicles

Allied assault odds: 0 to 1 (fort level 0)


Japanese ground losses:
Men lost 30
Guns lost 2

Allied ground losses:
Men lost 21
Guns lost 2



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Ground combat at Guam

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 5601 troops, 66 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles

Japanese assault odds: 310 to 1 (fort level 0)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Guam base !!!




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Ground combat at Davao

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 6294 troops, 38 guns, 11 vehicles

Defending force 2600 troops, 27 guns, 4 vehicles

Japanese assault odds: 4 to 1 (fort level 2)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Davao base !!!


Japanese ground losses:
Men lost 26
Guns lost 1
Vehicles lost 1

Allied ground losses:
Men lost 82
Guns lost 6
Vehicles lost 1


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Ground combat at Khota Bharu

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 16239 troops, 226 guns, 13 vehicles

Defending force 8418 troops, 72 guns, 0 vehicles

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 3)

Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 2


Japanese ground losses:
Men lost 149
Guns lost 3
Vehicles lost 1

Allied ground losses:
Men lost 107
Guns lost 3




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