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Do the japanese subs have the ability to carry floatplanes?
Is the big I-400 series included?
Are there rules for Kaiten Torpedoes?

I am fairly certain that The Japanese Sub's that could will be able to cary float plaes in WiTP, if I recal corectly Mogami mentioned that they could.

I dont know about the I 400, and I beelave that Kaiten are not as yet modeled in the Game, nore or any of the Midget subs, but I am not 100% certain on this.

yes

certain IJN sub classes do carry and can operate their floatplane.

Ask Pry....he had a bunch of fun with them in our last AAR

"Ask Pry....he had a bunch of fun with them in our last AAR "

Kaiten?

no Kaitens

Hi, Because each hex is 60 miles Kaiten would just be another means of the submarine attacking. (They would not be independant counters.) An interesting item that can't be done because of the game scale.

A quick look reveals the following IJN sub types as aircraft-carrying: J1M (until 1940 only), J2, J3, A1, A2, AM, B1 , B2, B3, B4, and of course the STo type. That makes about forty subs in total.

I am shure if they wanted to a way could be found to Include Kaitens, Subs can cary planes, and in a since they could cary Kaitens as well, though it is a guided torpedo, with a big warhead, it would require a a bit of work, and work I am not capable of totaly fathoming.

Brady,
You're beautiful man... Just beautiful!

Since these aircraft were to be used prmarily for recon, will it show the dreaded red line of approach? Or does that only appear from land bases air units?

ORIGINAL: madflava13

Brady,
You're beautiful man... Just beautiful!

In a since.

I thought of the Kaitens more of a weapon like the okha. The warhead of a Kaiten was bigger than that of a normal torpedo, and it was guided. Therefore, hit percentage would be higher with more damage done.
But...
I was just curious. I will enjoy this game with or without.
actually, as much as i know, only one or two really successful kaiten attacks were undertaken. Therefore, it doesn't really matter.

You could create, within the database, a duplicate class of Japanese submarine that fires what in effect would be a Kaiten weapon. you need to design said weapon in the database, give it ACC and warhead ratings and have at it.

ORIGINAL: Nikademus

You could create, within the database, a duplicate class of Japanese submarine that fires what in effect would be a Kaiten weapon. you need to design said weapon in the database, give it ACC and warhead ratings and have at it.

Is there any way to build in a modifier to account for the poor b@stards welded into these things who sea-chickened out or, more numerously, didn't know how to drive this underwater Toyota?

ORIGINAL: pasternakski

ORIGINAL: Nikademus

You could create, within the database, a duplicate class of Japanese submarine that fires what in effect would be a Kaiten weapon. you need to design said weapon in the database, give it ACC and warhead ratings and have at it.

Is there any way to build in a modifier to account for the poor b@stards welded into these things who sea-chickened out or, more numerously, didn't know how to drive this underwater Toyota?

Pasternakski what are you thinking! [:-]

No pilot ever chickened out in his duties as a Kaiten driver, don't you remember how they sank the 3 Iowa BB's? They were the best friggin' weapon of the war! (Well besides the Kate which had a range 6000 miles and could carry the converted Guided missile version of the Yamato (of course the gunner had to stay at home)). Kaitens were the great weapon that won the war for Japan.

BTW how much oil hauling capacity will the Kaitens have? [;)]

", Subs can cary planes, and in a since they could cary Kaitens as well,"

Wow... for a moment I thought that Brady was suggesting that the Kaitens could be air-launched. I was picturing the poor bastards that would be inside an air-launched kaiten. Ouch!!

ORIGINAL: pasternakski


Is there any way to build in a modifier to account for the poor b@stards welded into these things who sea-chickened out or, more numerously, didn't know how to drive this underwater Toyota?

I think you know the answer to that question. That, along with the time factor is why you will most likely not see Kaitens employed in the manner that i described "officially". Deciding such stats would be, and will be quite a pickle because in the end, the weapon must be shaped to work within the standard sub attack framework that has been set in the game engine since UV days, aka.....the "Kaiten" weapon will be launched from a sub that rolls to attack a ship.

Who decides what ACC rating the "weapon" should receive and by what means is the rating acheived ?

ORIGINAL: madflava13

Brady,
You're beautiful man... Just beautiful!

You’ve just seen his profile photo?

The hit rate with kaitens was almost certainly worse than with conventional torpedoes. As noted only two ships were successfully hit by kaitens. I have their names stamped indelibly in my memory....
Further review has shown that the stamp is indeed quite delible--who'da think it? But I believe the two victims were the DE Underwood and the oiler Mississinewa, and anyone indelicate enough to correct my spelling gets an automatic D-.
The low hit rate of kaitens may be due partly to the targets selected (in protected anchorages, where conventional torpedoes weren't an option), but at sea, it's still preferable to be on board a nice big sub with targeting gear. The fact is that it's very difficult even to see a ship when you're in a manned torpedo.

Aah, light, men. Today, you crimb down into manned tolpedo, we weld hatch shut, you dlive out to Yankee freet, clash into ship, kirr youserf and arr on boald.

Question? Yeah, you, Hashimoto in the back.

"Captain, you outta you f#cking mind."