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Oh look, Paradox is aiming to release Hearts of Iron 2.

If the keep up to previous tendencies, they will hit their 'Early 2005' realease date... with a buggy and unstable piece of junk (with a rather sanitized view of WW2) that will make people want to burn the developers at the stake.

I'll look into it in the summer of 2006. After 5 or 6 patches, it might be enjoyable.


Before that we'll have a go at GG WaW and see what they have!

Cant wait for the first GG WaW AARs.

HOI2?...I'll pass.......

ORIGINAL: J P Falcon

HOI2?...I'll pass.......

I 2nd that motion. Extremely disappointing game in my book. Only playable when using end-user Mods ( Bolted ).

It all comes down to what type of game you want. Basically there are two "schools" of grand strategy wargames. There is the "Axis and Allies"-school and there is the "World in flames"-school.

This game, Grigsbys world at war seems to be in the "Axis and allies"-school, while HoI and HoI2 are in the "World in Flames"-school.

Im not saying that either school is better or worse than the other. It is just that one is more detailed and focuses on historical units and situations etc, while the other is less detailed and focuses more on being a not-too-advanced game.

To those people thrashing HoI, and those that are pre-thrashing HoI2 I would like to say this. You have no idea what you are talking about when it comes to HoI2, and you obviously have not tried HoI 1.06.

You are probably right about people not playing HoI 1.06, I might still have HoI 1.03 installed and haven't played in about 8 months. My problem was the fact that allies didn't cooperate, every nation kind of stands on its own.

ORIGINAL: Svar

You are probably right about people not playing HoI 1.06, I might still have HoI 1.03 installed and haven't played in about 8 months. My problem was the fact that allies didn't cooperate, every nation kind of stands on its own.

Add to this the real time aspect and minor nations gaining ahistorical superiority,
and you have a game that I erased from my hard drive some time ago .... now all the newest patches probably did make it a better game, but I have since moved on to other things in my limited gaming time...I have no desire to go back and revisit it, nor do I have an interest in Victoria or the pending HOI2...

ORIGINAL: J P Falcon

ORIGINAL: Svar

You are probably right about people not playing HoI 1.06, I might still have HoI 1.03 installed and haven't played in about 8 months. My problem was the fact that allies didn't cooperate, every nation kind of stands on its own.

Add to this the real time aspect and minor nations gaining ahistorical superiority,
and you have a game that I erased from my hard drive some time ago .... now all the newest patches probably did make it a better game, but I have since moved on to other things in my limited gaming time...I have no desire to go back and revisit it, nor do I have an interest in Victoria or the pending HOI2...

You should give the new patch a try 1.06 is by far the best to date, and with CORE .81, it is a very fun game. Minors do not gain that ahistorical superiority you refer to anymore.

HoI and HoI2 are in the "World in Flames"-school.

Negative. Turn-based games like Advanced Third Reich and A World at War are in the WiF-school. HOI with its real-time nonsense is on its own planet.

Despite my best efforts and intentions, I have been unable to play (much less enjoy) HOI. I recently tried again with the v1.6 patch and CORE 0.8 and still wasn't impressed. If HOI2 follows the same real-time format, it won't even be on my consideration list. And I'm not paying $50 for a patch. [:-]

WAW should be fun and I'm looking forward to it. Turn-based global WWII grand strategy without having to micromanage every last little detail. Bring it on.[8D]

ORIGINAL: pzgndr
Negative. Turn-based games like Advanced Third Reich and A World at War are in the WiF-school. HOI with its real-time nonsense is on its own planet.

Actually it is very hard to make a board game continuous time...you kinda have to make it turn based for it to work at all. But if you look at the sequence of play in WiF you will note that it very much tries to be continuous time/simultaneous movement. The intercept rules would be an example of this, or the ground strikes or whatever.

Anyway, Hearts of Iron is not real-time. It is pauseable continuous time. The difference is enormous.

ORIGINAL: gunboat

ORIGINAL: J P Falcon

ORIGINAL: Svar

You are probably right about people not playing HoI 1.06, I might still have HoI 1.03 installed and haven't played in about 8 months. My problem was the fact that allies didn't cooperate, every nation kind of stands on its own.

Add to this the real time aspect and minor nations gaining ahistorical superiority,
and you have a game that I erased from my hard drive some time ago .... now all the newest patches probably did make it a better game, but I have since moved on to other things in my limited gaming time...I have no desire to go back and revisit it, nor do I have an interest in Victoria or the pending HOI2...

You should give the new patch a try 1.06 is by far the best to date, and with CORE .81, it is a very fun game. Minors do not gain that ahistorical superiority you refer to anymore.

What exactly is this Core?.....is it a user mod that you install into the HOI directory?

Question for Panzerjaeger Hortlund:

Does this new patch allow me to play all the Allies or all the Axis, or do I still have to play one country and hope that my 'Allies' can keep up with me?

This was always my biggest complaint about HoI.

The AI still sucks i heard.

ORIGINAL: Cheesehead

Question for Panzerjaeger Hortlund:

Does this new patch allow me to play all the Allies or all the Axis, or do I still have to play one country and hope that my 'Allies' can keep up with me?

This was always my biggest complaint about HoI.

You can grab military control over your allies. That should put you in massive-management hell though. But this is something you could have done since back in 1.00.

ORIGINAL: Zakhal

The AI still sucks i heard.

Have you tried it yourself?

What we really need is a strategic game with the AA engine. Only problem is RTS doesn't work well(yet) for PBEM. That in itself will put many potential players off. The lack of PBEM can be offset somewhat by a competent AI, which HttR possesses.

ORIGINAL: J P Falcon

ORIGINAL: gunboat

ORIGINAL: J P Falcon



Add to this the real time aspect and minor nations gaining ahistorical superiority,
and you have a game that I erased from my hard drive some time ago .... now all the newest patches probably did make it a better game, but I have since moved on to other things in my limited gaming time...I have no desire to go back and revisit it, nor do I have an interest in Victoria or the pending HOI2...

You should give the new patch a try 1.06 is by far the best to date, and with CORE .81, it is a very fun game. Minors do not gain that ahistorical superiority you refer to anymore.

What exactly is this Core?.....is it a user mod that you install into the HOI directory?

C.O.R.E. stands for Community Open Resource Exchange and the web site is http://core.roadtowar.com/index2.htm.

It is a mod that does not effect your HOI install, but creates a separate directory for the mod + save games. It makes the game much better, in my opinion. Well worth it.

Gunboat, do I need to install Core v.8 before Core v 8.1?.....Core v.8 is listed under the system requirements along with the HOI patch but it is not mentioned in the v.8.1 dl instructions...I plan to give HOI one last try.....

No, you can install core 8.1 "alone".

The suggestion by the core guys is to
1) Do a clean install of HoI 1.00
2) Patch HoI to 1.06
3) Install Core on top of that.

But dont take this version of core as the last chance for HoI, because right now the core ai sucks. It is because there were lots of changes done in 106, and the core ai-guys have not been able to incorporate that into core yet. Try vanilla 106 first. Right now vanilla 106 is much better than any user mod.

Enjoy.

No Panzerjager Hortlund...

1) Install HOI
2) Apply patch 1.06
3) Install CORE 0.8
4) Install CORE 0.81

Check also CORE sub-forum

HOI 1.00 was quite disappointing... From 1.03/1.04 version it became playable, now with 1.06 + CORE is IMHO a totally new game!
At least it worth a try for who owns HOI and stopped playing it...

I'm looking forward to GG's World at War too, maybe a little to simplified for my taste even if it looks promising, but is still too soon to make comments!