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I was wondering- how many copies of WITP have sold at Origins?? Obviously, the more the better for the hobby and for Matrix!

ORIGINAL: diesel7013

I was wondering- how many copies of WITP have sold at Origins?? Obviously, the more the better for the hobby and for Matrix!

GOOD QUESTION BUT MATRIX WOULD NOT TELL.....OR IT WILL??[;)][;)][;)]

Almost all are sold [;)]

come on Marc send me one now i pay you double[&o]

ORIGINAL: Marc Schwanebeck

Almost all are sold [;)]

CONGRATULATIONS YOU ARE THE BEST [:D][:D][:D][:D]

ORIGINAL: Marc Schwanebeck

Almost all are sold [;)]

How many is all ? [:'(]

Xargun

All = alot
alot = a whole bunch
and a whole bunch is a whole bunch [;)]

Loving a good guess like I do, I'll wager that less then 10 remain from the stock they took along. [8D] OUTSTANDING sales lads. [8D][:D]

Yep, single digits left as far as I know. Thanks to all who came and made it a great convention for us in so many ways. As soon as the rest of the team returns from Origins, we'll be at work making WitP more widely available.

Regards,

- Erik

We have only 2 copies left.

ORIGINAL: Marc Schwanebeck

We have only 2 copies left.

Are you going to be able to order the DVD case edition like was purchased at Origins?

ORIGINAL: Marc Schwanebeck

We have only 2 copies left.

Which is good if you brought 500.., not so hot if you brought 50

ORIGINAL: Mike Scholl

ORIGINAL: Marc Schwanebeck

We have only 2 copies left.

Which is good if you brought 500.., not so hot if you brought 50

Alternatively it could be said that Matrix judged the demand perfectly. [;)]
Shame to waste those two copies though, how about sending one over here.[:D]

ORIGINAL: Marc Schwanebeck

We have only 2 copies left.

Out of???

This entire industry segment is a mystery to me, from and economic perspective. How much is a "lot"? Does 2X3 actually make any money to make investment in such venture worthwhile? I mean 2X3, from what I understand has only one programmer that makes ????/yr and one on loan from Matrix, itself? It has one game out there, UV, and this one. Who are the other principals that are getting compensated from these games?

I ask because I'd kind of like to know if this is a worthwhile financial venture for me to ever get in to? Do you people make any REAL money at all??

ORIGINAL: ZOOMIE1980

ORIGINAL: Marc Schwanebeck

We have only 2 copies left.

Out of???

Maybe this can be a kind of guessing game, with the winner receiving a free copy of WiTP. [8D]

I'll start. Out of 120. [X(]

ORIGINAL: ZOOMIE1980

ORIGINAL: Marc Schwanebeck

We have only 2 copies left.

Out of???

This entire industry segment is a mystery to me, from and economic perspective. How much is a "lot"? Does 2X3 actually make any money to make investment in such venture worthwhile? I mean 2X3, from what I understand has only one programmer that makes ????/yr and one on loan from Matrix, itself? It has one game out there, UV, and this one. Who are the other principals that are getting compensated from these games?

I ask because I'd kind of like to know if this is a worthwhile financial venture for me to ever get in to? Do you people make any REAL money at all??

How much does your significant other make and are you any good with children? You sound stressed, so you better keep a REAL job.

Hey, ZOOMIE! If 2by3 and Matrix want to do this, why burden them with your take on reality? Obviously they make enough to be happy and continue to pursue this venture. They might actually "enjoy" what they do and garner pleasure form it. More than most can claim... Lighten up! Quality of life is (at least to me) more important than money which can't be spent when either A) too busy and freaked to enjoy it, or B) dead.

Chill out and "enjoy" a beer, don't just look at the bill and think "if I was less a tippler, this could go to my retirement." You and Mike Scholl (sorry Mike, but hey, you do post some really negative shiite, Moriarty."seem way too wound up over nothing.

Just a thought...[X(]

ORIGINAL: ZOOMIE1980

I ask because I'd kind of like to know if this is a worthwhile financial venture for me to ever get in to? Do you people make any REAL money at all??

ZOOMIE,

If money was the driving force behind wargame design, there wouldn't be any wargames. [X(] I think the most popular PC title sold in the last 10 years was Century of Warfare (I was a scenario designer on a few of the titles), it outsold any previous wargame by several times what is normally expected. It was available in stores and in most countries around the globe and it sold about 100,000 copies at best when all was said and done.

WitP is only available online and there wont be the thousands of impulse buys generated at the tens of thousands of game stores around the world simply because someone sees it and says "hey this looks cool", there won't be dozens of feature articles in any gaming mags either that would steer readers to this site, so at best they'll probably sell 5,000 - 10,000 copies if word of mouth generates a decent interest in the title.

Given the number of people involved in the development and the number of years of work put into the title, I think we all owe Matrix and 2X3 a debt of gratitude [&o] for bringing this game to our PC's. Personally I intend to buy two copies and I've been working on my brother to try and get him interested. Unfortunately he doesn't like games that make him think so much, he'd rather get lost in mindless fun when he games. I'm not giving up on him yet however. [;)]

So in answer to your question, you'll not make much money if you start designing wargames. In fact you'll be lucky to break even. How many wargame companies last more than 5 or 10 years in business? None that I can think of, hopefully Matrix can break that trend.

Jim

In my opinion, Zoomie, I think that they are making at least enough money to live on and to fly or drive around the country. I think that the other posters to this thread are the ones in dreamland[;)] if they think that Matrix and 2X3 are doing this purely for the love of the genre. They are clearly in this to make money but the real question is how much and I think that you ask a valid question.

I think you are wrong with the bombastic "they are *clearly* in it for the money" comment. Naturally they are in it for the money in the sense that they have to eat, pay their bills, etc. However, if they were *really* in it for the money, i dont think we would have seen them making these types of games, with such a limited customer base. The worst Diablo 2 clone ever will probably sell more copies than WiTP will, and require a fraction of the work. One thing that should be glaringly obvious is that this genre of games is hardly a "big seller" in the crowds.

No, i'd say that they are into it because they like making these kinds of games, and (hopefully) it can also sustain them financially..

Thats my take on it anyway [:)]

Just think if someone would make a Strategy & Tactics Mag with a computer wargame in it every 2 to 3 months. I bought S&T for years, but, finally got to the point I have no place to put them anymore, lol.

There's some entrepreneural out there that should pick up on this idea. I'd buy a years subscription if I knew I could get a new computer wargame every 2 or 3 months and then a history lesson to go along with it.

The way to do it is stick with one engine pretty much or one that can be easily changed to the combat situation presented so it doesn't take over 2 or 3 months to put them out. I think what a lot of companies do today and not just wargame companines, but, all of them is try to put too much into the games and then they end up busy and not good games at all. Just K.I.S.S (keep it simple stupid) and I think a computer gaming subscription magizine like S&T would go over big.