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HQ Questions

Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2004 7:56 pm
by FirstPappy
Quote from the manual about HQ units:

.... give combat benefits to combat units who are within a certain range, generally the same hex, and enable more bombers to fly Missions from bases under their control. A unit can benefit from its HQ, of which there are five types:

Command - Help in several ways. They help in giving a bonus to ground combat. If no Corps HQ is in range of a ground unit, the Command HQ can give a bonus like a Corps HQ if it is in range of a ground unit. If there is a Corps HQ within range of the battle, and the Command HQ is within 2 times its command range of the battle, it can add up to an additional 90% bonus to the Assault Value of an attacking force for odds calculations. The bonuses are impacted by the leaderships rating of the commander of the HQs.

Command HQs are also important for air replacements and upgrades (see those
sections for details).
Corps - Helps with ground combat. Ground units in range can gain up to a 10% bonus to their Assault Value (whether attacking or defending).
Amphibious - Helps amphibious invasions suffer less losses.
Naval - Helps to speed ship repair time.
Air - Helps by allowing more aircraft to fly.

If a friendly base is in a hex with a Command HQ, the base will attempt to stockpile 25000 extra supplies. This is in addition to whatever supplies would normally try to move to the base to meet current and expected supply needs of the forces in the hex.


My questions are:
1) What are the command ranges of each HQ unit?
2) What benefits are gained by a base hex being under a particular Command HQ’s control?
3) Conversely what positive or negative affects are there by ground and/or air units occupying a base hex of a different Command?

Pappy

RE: HQ Questions

Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2004 8:00 pm
by Mr.Frag
1) What are the command ranges of each HQ unit?

Look at the HQ. It actually has it's radius on the display.

2) What benefits are gained by a base hex being under a particular Command HQ’s control?

None for the base at all apart from the extra support staff to help troops there.

3) Conversely what positive or negative affects are there by ground and/or air units occupying a base hex of a different Command?

None. HQ's give the benefits to any troops within range, not just troops attached to them.

RE: HQ Questions

Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2004 8:06 pm
by FirstPappy
Thanks for the quick replay Mr. Frag. Please clarify your answer to #2 and I'll clarify the question.

You answered about the additional support staff afforded to the base. Are we talking about a base that is under the command of an HQ but the HQ itself is located somewhere else? If so, how is the support staff allocated among the bases not occupied by the Command HQ?

Pappy

RE: HQ Questions

Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2004 8:10 pm
by Mr.Frag
You answered about the additional support staff afforded to the base. Are we talking about a base that is under the command of an HQ but the HQ itself is located somewhere else? If so, how is the support staff allocated among the bases not occupied by the Command HQ?

All support staff are given to the base then parcelled out to units located at the same base. The HQ's are generally 100% support staff so they can help out a lot of troops there meet their support requirements.

Forget about Command HQ's for the purposes of support as it does not apply.

The Command HQ functions are ONLY used for replacements and upgrades. Apart from that, they function just like any other HQ. ie: a large number of support units.

RE: HQ Questions

Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2004 8:17 pm
by FirstPappy
Thanks. That was the clarification I was looking for.

RE: HQ Questions

Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2004 8:26 pm
by FirstPappy
This tells me that there is absolutely no valid reason to ever change a base from one Command HQ to another.

RE: HQ Questions

Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2004 9:43 pm
by Mr.Frag
This tells me that there is absolutely no valid reason to ever change a base from one Command HQ to another.

Not true.

Changing a *base* becomes of great value to be able to control *where* your replacements show up.

Since the replacement check is based on the *base* hq, by shifting the base hq, you can adjust who pays the freight.

RE: HQ Questions

Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2004 10:30 pm
by sven6345789
If command HQ's deliver replacements, then why are the 4th fleet and the southeast fleet japanese HQs, which are supposed to be Command HQs, listed as naval HQs. If they perform like naval HQs, you won't get any replacements in the whole south pacific unless you fill the base up to 20000 supplies.
Was that planned?

RE: HQ Questions

Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2004 12:10 pm
by JohnK
Ok......

Now I'm confused.

Let's say Noumea has 20,000+ supply....

What EXACT advantages will a ground or air unit in Noumea that has SOPAC as a headquarters have over a ground unit in Noumea that has CENPAC as a headquarters?

Is there any penalty at all for units to not match the HQ of their base? (other than the restricted Commands and their units, of course.)

Reading the rules, I really can't find any.

RE: HQ Questions

Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2004 1:30 pm
by Mr.Frag
Picture this:

SWPAC in Brisbane, SOPAC in Noumea, CENTPAC at PH.

You want to pick up replacements for your CV's missing aircraft.

You dock at PM which is owned by SWPAC, aircraft show up in Brisbane and fly to you.

You dock at Lunga which is owned by SOPAC, aircraft show up at Noumea and fly to you.

You for some reason dock at Canton, aircraft show up at PH and suddenly you need to jump them island by island due to the range involved or send your CV's all the way to PH to get the aircraft. [:(]

RE: HQ Questions

Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2004 2:07 pm
by The Gnome
Ok riddle me this:

A land based air unit assigned to South sits in PH which is Central. South HQ is in Noumea, with 10k supplies. PH has 50k supplies.

1) Does he get replacements?

2) If Noumea had 25K suplpies would he get replacements?

RE: HQ Questions

Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2004 2:08 pm
by JohnK
I wasn't asking about CVs at all.

The main issue is whether I should give a second thought about sending CENPAC troops to SOPAC area, or bother to spend obscene amounts of PP to convert then from CENPAC to SOPAC.

If the Japanese land on Noumea, does it matter if a US division there has CENPAC as a HQ? For combat, replacements, what?

RE: HQ Questions

Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2004 3:38 pm
by Mr.Frag
It matters for replacements as CENTPAC is out of range meaning the replacement groups will be formed at PH and have to jump on a ship to get there.

RE: HQ Questions

Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2004 9:53 pm
by worr
bump

RE: HQ Questions

Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2004 9:57 pm
by Mr.Frag
bump

Can you rephrase that in the form of a question? [;)]

RE: HQ Questions

Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2004 10:03 pm
by pompack
One final point of clarification of command radius (I know I am a little slow)


Does a HQ with a radius of one provide command benefit outside of its own hex (in other words, do you count the hex the HQ is sitting in to measure the command distance)

RE: HQ Questions

Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2004 10:13 pm
by Mr.Frag
Does a HQ with a radius of one provide command benefit outside of its own hex (in other words, do you count the hex the HQ is sitting in to measure the command distance)

Good Question ... don't have a clue. Assuming it didn't change from UV, the Hex is counted so a range of 1 would be that hex only.

RE: HQ Questions

Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2004 12:00 am
by Xargun
ORIGINAL: JohnK

I wasn't asking about CVs at all.

The main issue is whether I should give a second thought about sending CENPAC troops to SOPAC area, or bother to spend obscene amounts of PP to convert then from CENPAC to SOPAC.

If the Japanese land on Noumea, does it matter if a US division there has CENPAC as a HQ? For combat, replacements, what?

I believe for purposes of combat it does not matter if the unit's HQ match the base's.. I believe it only matters when recieving replacements - more aircraft, more men... does it matter..

Xargun

RE: HQ Questions

Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2004 12:41 pm
by viking42
perhaps a stupid question but how do i see the difference between a HQ and a command HQ able to deliver upgrades?

RE: HQ Questions

Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2004 3:26 pm
by Damien Thorn
Every time one of these replacement aircraft questions come up I get comfused. If a CV pulls into a port and the port has 20,00+ supplies the replacemetn planes will show up there no matter which HQ controls the base, right? What about air groups that are "indipendant", like most CV groups? I think I asked this question before but I lost the thread it iwas in.