Everything you want to know about production starts with Xargun
Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2004 1:36 am
Xarguns' most excellent notes need to be FAq'ed and Excel'ed.
I am trying to to do that now, as I have the next 8 days off, WitP most of it away.
But, I start this thread to start a discussion in one place, I hope, on production.
Here are my notes, thus far. Most of it is from Xargun:
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1 Resource point = 1.25 Resources (round down) + 1 Supply
1 Oil Point = 6 Oil + 1 Fuel
1 Manpower Point requires 10 Resources per point or none will operate.
Consumes 10 Resources per point. Creates 4 Manpower Point per point
1 Heavy Industry Point requires 1 Resource + 2 Oil in the hex to operate. [No consumption here]
1 Heavy Industry Point consumes 1 Resource + 1 Oil.
Produces 1 HI added to HI Pool + 1.5 Fuel + 1 Supply
Aircraft and Engine Factories: These production size is per month / not per day
Engines: If HI available equal to engine factory size, then engines CAN be produced.
# of factory (each factory at each location is done separately) + RN (1-30) / 30 (round down).
Consumes 18 HI per engine built.
Airframe: No HI requirement
# of factory (each factory at each location is done separately) + RN (1-30) / 30 (round down).
Consumes 18 HI per engine needed on aircraft + # of engines [So for a G3M Nell it will cost you 36 HI
+ 2 Mitsubishi engines (another 36 HI)
1 Vehicle/Armaments Factory Point requires 6 Heavy industry per point or none will be produced
Consumes 6 HI per point and produces 1 appropriate point
1 Naval/Merchant Shipyard Point consumes 3 HI
Repair Yards produce repair points equal to their size daily (for free). Can store up to 4x their size
It is possibly for the smaller factories (engine & Aircraft below 10) to never produce a single product. It probably won't happen that way, but it could. These small factories are cheap and easy to enlarge so do it. I recommend at least a size 20 factory - that way you should produce 2 items every 3 days.
Oil Point (size 1 port or greater) = 6 oil + 1 fuel
Oil Point (size 0 port) = 6 oil + 0 fuel
No fuel is created in a oil center with size 0 port only the oil...
Mandalay by way of example will produce each turn, (50 oil points)
300 oil
0 fuel
Not so simply instructions:
Convert A5M4 Claude -> A6M2 Zero (Nagasaki has 6)
Convert G3M Nell -> G4M1 Betty (Gumma has 20)
Convert Nissan engines to Nakajima
Convert Aichi engines to Nakajima
Expand Nakajima engines
Leave the rest alone for the next 6 months of the game.
Rangoon will produce each turn (50 oil points)
300 oil
50 fuel
First off... Yes, you need to pull resources and oil back to japan to the tune of roughly 6000 of each per day - luckily you have enough stockpiled for roughly 190 days - so if you don't have most / all of the bases you need by then, GAME OVER.. As to where to land them it depends on where its coming from, but you want to concentrate in large ports so they can unload faster. Try for Sasebo as its a size 10 port as is Hiroshima I believe. Tokyo is just too far east - save it, Osaka and Nagoya for sending out supplies and fuel to your bases...
Once you dump off the oil / resources in Sasebo and such the rail will move it all over Japan to where its needed... BUT remember not everything is connected to the Home Islands.. You have industry in Formosa you need to fuel... Some on Sakhalin Island thats need oil and resources, not to mention China and Kwangtung - especially Singapore and Manilla (I think) once you take them. You will have industry all over the place and it ALL needs fed to keep the HI points up where you need them to be. Right now I barely have enough HI points to run everythign I have and I still have major expansion to do - just waiting for my current expansion to finish and for more supplies to save up.
Xargun
Out of the 9 engines designs you only need 5 different ones and then only a couple in large amounts. You need Aichi, Nissan, Hitachi, Mitsubishi and Nakajima... With Nakajima the top and Mitsubishi the second. I believe Aichi is only one aircraft design (D4Y Judy) but you definately want that one - better DB for your CVs. Kawasaki has 1 type as well (Ki-46-III KAI Dinah fighter. HItachi has several types - mostly recon and transport planes. I forget what the Nissan engine is for, but I think only 1 design as well.
In my current PBEM game, I am currently producing all 5 engines in varying amounts. I think I have only a single factory for the small three and large factories of Mitsu and Nakajimas.
The A6M3 is crappy, but you need them to fill incoming fighter squadrons. Upgrade to Zekes as fast as you can once you get them... Right now I have over 100 A6M2s in production and unfortunately only have like 10 in my pool - just reloaded all my CVs and airgroups and upgraded all CV Claudes to Zeros. So now I just have to produce enough to cover my losses. BTW, dont expect to convert aircraft overnight on CVs - so far its been like 3 days and only 9 Zeros have been repaired while the other 9 are sitting around broken. Sloooooow..
Xargun
I agree. I like smaller factories (size 50 or so) compared to 80+. Its just better that way, as you must have HI in the pool equal to the entire factory size before it will even consider producing ANY engines and the larger factories may not make any in the later years when HI grow short. I think I have AIchi expanded to 50 (I want lots of DBs for my CVs) and the others are in the 20-30 range. I have one huge Nakajima factory (150+) and the rest are smaller. As 42 closes I will probably convert at least one or two of the Mitsu (80 size) factories over to Nakajimas as the need for Mitsu decrease a lot in late 42 and onward (when compared to Nakajima need).
I believe HI points accumulate into a pool and are spent from that pool in a certain order. The trick with engines is that if you have a 30 Kawasaki Engine factory you need 30 HI points available before it will even THINK about making engines... Then, you will only produce 1-2 engines out of the factory per day. So if you have 30 HI left - the factory will run, but it will only produce 1 engine as the each cost 18. The extra 12 HI would carry over to next turn.
Basically the factory will not produce ANY engines if you do not have HI points equal to the size of the factory left in your pool - which is why those large Mitsubishi factories are not that great - you'd be better off having 2 or 3 smaller ones than 1 large one.
Xargun
These questions were confirmed via Betas and the design team in another thread. HI consumes 1 oil and 1 resource ONLY - BUT it needs 2 oil at the location per HI point for it to run - kinda like a reserve. If you have 500 HI, it checks to see if you have 500 resource and 1000 oil at the location - if you do - it will run and consume 500 of each and produce 500 HI (also produce 500 supply and 750 fuel). If you do not have the 500 resource & 1000 oil no HI will run at the location.
HI production is ALL OR NOTHING - same as Aircraft Engines... If it doesn't make the checks it won't run any of the industry.
Xargun
I am trying to to do that now, as I have the next 8 days off, WitP most of it away.
But, I start this thread to start a discussion in one place, I hope, on production.
Here are my notes, thus far. Most of it is from Xargun:
------------------------------------------
1 Resource point = 1.25 Resources (round down) + 1 Supply
1 Oil Point = 6 Oil + 1 Fuel
1 Manpower Point requires 10 Resources per point or none will operate.
Consumes 10 Resources per point. Creates 4 Manpower Point per point
1 Heavy Industry Point requires 1 Resource + 2 Oil in the hex to operate. [No consumption here]
1 Heavy Industry Point consumes 1 Resource + 1 Oil.
Produces 1 HI added to HI Pool + 1.5 Fuel + 1 Supply
Aircraft and Engine Factories: These production size is per month / not per day
Engines: If HI available equal to engine factory size, then engines CAN be produced.
# of factory (each factory at each location is done separately) + RN (1-30) / 30 (round down).
Consumes 18 HI per engine built.
Airframe: No HI requirement
# of factory (each factory at each location is done separately) + RN (1-30) / 30 (round down).
Consumes 18 HI per engine needed on aircraft + # of engines [So for a G3M Nell it will cost you 36 HI
+ 2 Mitsubishi engines (another 36 HI)
1 Vehicle/Armaments Factory Point requires 6 Heavy industry per point or none will be produced
Consumes 6 HI per point and produces 1 appropriate point
1 Naval/Merchant Shipyard Point consumes 3 HI
Repair Yards produce repair points equal to their size daily (for free). Can store up to 4x their size
It is possibly for the smaller factories (engine & Aircraft below 10) to never produce a single product. It probably won't happen that way, but it could. These small factories are cheap and easy to enlarge so do it. I recommend at least a size 20 factory - that way you should produce 2 items every 3 days.
Oil Point (size 1 port or greater) = 6 oil + 1 fuel
Oil Point (size 0 port) = 6 oil + 0 fuel
No fuel is created in a oil center with size 0 port only the oil...
Mandalay by way of example will produce each turn, (50 oil points)
300 oil
0 fuel
Not so simply instructions:
Convert A5M4 Claude -> A6M2 Zero (Nagasaki has 6)
Convert G3M Nell -> G4M1 Betty (Gumma has 20)
Convert Nissan engines to Nakajima
Convert Aichi engines to Nakajima
Expand Nakajima engines
Leave the rest alone for the next 6 months of the game.
Rangoon will produce each turn (50 oil points)
300 oil
50 fuel
First off... Yes, you need to pull resources and oil back to japan to the tune of roughly 6000 of each per day - luckily you have enough stockpiled for roughly 190 days - so if you don't have most / all of the bases you need by then, GAME OVER.. As to where to land them it depends on where its coming from, but you want to concentrate in large ports so they can unload faster. Try for Sasebo as its a size 10 port as is Hiroshima I believe. Tokyo is just too far east - save it, Osaka and Nagoya for sending out supplies and fuel to your bases...
Once you dump off the oil / resources in Sasebo and such the rail will move it all over Japan to where its needed... BUT remember not everything is connected to the Home Islands.. You have industry in Formosa you need to fuel... Some on Sakhalin Island thats need oil and resources, not to mention China and Kwangtung - especially Singapore and Manilla (I think) once you take them. You will have industry all over the place and it ALL needs fed to keep the HI points up where you need them to be. Right now I barely have enough HI points to run everythign I have and I still have major expansion to do - just waiting for my current expansion to finish and for more supplies to save up.
Xargun
Out of the 9 engines designs you only need 5 different ones and then only a couple in large amounts. You need Aichi, Nissan, Hitachi, Mitsubishi and Nakajima... With Nakajima the top and Mitsubishi the second. I believe Aichi is only one aircraft design (D4Y Judy) but you definately want that one - better DB for your CVs. Kawasaki has 1 type as well (Ki-46-III KAI Dinah fighter. HItachi has several types - mostly recon and transport planes. I forget what the Nissan engine is for, but I think only 1 design as well.
In my current PBEM game, I am currently producing all 5 engines in varying amounts. I think I have only a single factory for the small three and large factories of Mitsu and Nakajimas.
The A6M3 is crappy, but you need them to fill incoming fighter squadrons. Upgrade to Zekes as fast as you can once you get them... Right now I have over 100 A6M2s in production and unfortunately only have like 10 in my pool - just reloaded all my CVs and airgroups and upgraded all CV Claudes to Zeros. So now I just have to produce enough to cover my losses. BTW, dont expect to convert aircraft overnight on CVs - so far its been like 3 days and only 9 Zeros have been repaired while the other 9 are sitting around broken. Sloooooow..
Xargun
I agree. I like smaller factories (size 50 or so) compared to 80+. Its just better that way, as you must have HI in the pool equal to the entire factory size before it will even consider producing ANY engines and the larger factories may not make any in the later years when HI grow short. I think I have AIchi expanded to 50 (I want lots of DBs for my CVs) and the others are in the 20-30 range. I have one huge Nakajima factory (150+) and the rest are smaller. As 42 closes I will probably convert at least one or two of the Mitsu (80 size) factories over to Nakajimas as the need for Mitsu decrease a lot in late 42 and onward (when compared to Nakajima need).
I believe HI points accumulate into a pool and are spent from that pool in a certain order. The trick with engines is that if you have a 30 Kawasaki Engine factory you need 30 HI points available before it will even THINK about making engines... Then, you will only produce 1-2 engines out of the factory per day. So if you have 30 HI left - the factory will run, but it will only produce 1 engine as the each cost 18. The extra 12 HI would carry over to next turn.
Basically the factory will not produce ANY engines if you do not have HI points equal to the size of the factory left in your pool - which is why those large Mitsubishi factories are not that great - you'd be better off having 2 or 3 smaller ones than 1 large one.
Xargun
These questions were confirmed via Betas and the design team in another thread. HI consumes 1 oil and 1 resource ONLY - BUT it needs 2 oil at the location per HI point for it to run - kinda like a reserve. If you have 500 HI, it checks to see if you have 500 resource and 1000 oil at the location - if you do - it will run and consume 500 of each and produce 500 HI (also produce 500 supply and 750 fuel). If you do not have the 500 resource & 1000 oil no HI will run at the location.
HI production is ALL OR NOTHING - same as Aircraft Engines... If it doesn't make the checks it won't run any of the industry.
Xargun
Though some of this will be for upgrades.