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So what's the reason for the sometimes bombs sometimes torpedos port attack deal???

Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2004 3:31 am
by Tanaka
Id rather my planes use torpedos!!! [&:]

RE: So what's the reason for the sometimes bombs sometimes torpedos port attack deal???

Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2004 3:42 am
by daft
I believe a roll of the dice determines if the attacking a/c use torps or bombs.

RE: So what's the reason for the sometimes bombs sometimes torpedos port attack deal???

Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2004 3:50 am
by MadDawg
Sometimes they are actually dropping torps even though you hear the bomb auido, too....hopefully that might be better in the next patch.

Dawg

RE: So what's the reason for the sometimes bombs sometimes torpedos port attack deal???

Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2004 3:52 am
by von Murrin
ORIGINAL: daft

I believe a roll of the dice determines if the attacking a/c use torps or bombs.

Yup. Reflects the need and availability of modified torps.

RE: So what's the reason for the sometimes bombs sometimes torpedos port attack deal???

Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2004 4:05 am
by Tanaka
ORIGINAL: daft

I believe a roll of the dice determines if the attacking a/c use torps or bombs.


I know its variable I just dont understand why it they programmed it this way. I would think torpedos would always be preferred.

RE: So what's the reason for the sometimes bombs sometimes torpedos port attack deal???

Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2004 4:41 am
by MadDawg
Didnt they have torpedo nets to stop such things in some cases? Maybe this is a random value to represent this possability?

RE: So what's the reason for the sometimes bombs sometimes torpedos port attack deal???

Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2004 4:43 am
by von Murrin
That too.[:D]

Modified torps and nets were given as a reason by someone around here...

RE: So what's the reason for the sometimes bombs sometimes torpedos port attack deal???

Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2004 11:19 am
by Charles2222
ORIGINAL: Tanaka

Id rather my planes use torpedos!!! [&:]

Two things I can think of. Probably a lot of us are familiar with why our Kates didn't all load up on torps at PH, however, there is a rule that makes sense apart from that, and that is that most ports have their torp nets and other counter measures up such that torps are useless, so torp planes chances of carrying them are quite slim for port attacks.

That leaves......attacking ships at sea. My guess after perusing the manual a number of times is that their chances of carrying torps is either very high or absolute in this regard, with one notable exception. That exception is range. If your torp plane is using extended range to hit the target, it will carry it's extended payload, which of course isn't torps. I recently posted an attack on the Entreprise which totaled 31 hits without it sinking on the high seas. The torp planes all carried 250kg. bombs but I could see the reason for that easily, as they were at range 5, or extended range for the Kate.

RE: So what's the reason for the sometimes bombs sometimes torpedos port attack deal???

Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2004 11:31 am
by WhoCares
Last but not least, there are more then just ships to hit in a port attack. You would't want your planes to attack port facilities and CD units with torpedos [:'(]

RE: So what's the reason for the sometimes bombs sometimes torpedos port attack deal???

Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2004 11:42 am
by Odin
You would't want your planes to attack port facilities and CD units with torpedos [:'(]


Anyone knows this movie about this crazy submarine, where they fired a torp at a ship and this thing hits a lorry on the beach?[:D][:D]

RE: So what's the reason for the sometimes bombs sometimes torpedos port attack deal???

Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2004 12:38 pm
by tanjman
ORIGINAL: Odin
You would't want your planes to attack port facilities and CD units with torpedos [:'(]


Anyone knows this movie about this crazy submarine, where they fired a torp at a ship and this thing hits a lorry on the beach?[:D][:D]

I believe you're talking about 'Operation Pettycoat" starring Cary Grant & Tony Curtis. BTW they also end up through a supply SNAFU painting the submarine pink [:)]

RE: So what's the reason for the sometimes bombs sometimes torpedos port attack deal???

Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2004 12:49 pm
by tiredoftryingnames
Just clicked my stopwatch. Want to see how long it takes before someone says you should be able to torpedo land units and destroy tanks in coastal hexes.

RE: So what's the reason for the sometimes bombs sometimes torpedos port attack deal???

Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2004 12:53 pm
by SunDevil_MatrixForum
Just remember if you are the pilot of a plane and you get a choice to either use bombs on a plane where you can dive down and drop a bomb or two and then get the hell out of there, or take a torpedo and line up your shot, skimming the water hoping that you do not get shot out of the air, and also that you do not have objects obstructing your torpedo's path to your target, knowing that ships and other objects including submarine nets could be in use at the port, my guess would be from a survival and success standpoint I would choose the bomb everytime. Now if its in the open ocean it might be a different story, but in a closed environment like a port, give me bombs please.[:D] Just my .02 cents

RE: So what's the reason for the sometimes bombs sometimes torpedos port attack deal???

Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2004 2:28 pm
by CTB123
Weren't torpedos in much tighter supply than bombs? That may be a factor.
Tony

RE: So what's the reason for the sometimes bombs sometimes torpedos port attack deal???

Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2004 2:47 pm
by strawbuk
Pilots don''t make that choice, staff do based on best guessitimate of right weapon for job, limited intel etc - sometimes right sometimes wrong.

RE: So what's the reason for the sometimes bombs sometimes torpedos port attack deal???

Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2004 3:28 pm
by Oznoyng
ORIGINAL: CTB123

Weren't torpedos in much tighter supply than bombs? That may be a factor.
Tony

If you are playing historical first turn, they should use torpedos, period. Japan did, WitP should.

On another note, there were two attacks on 12/7 yet I have yet to see a second wave. Are both combined into one attack?

RE: So what's the reason for the sometimes bombs sometimes torpedos port attack deal???

Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2004 3:46 pm
by Nikademus
port attacks are based on the model of Pearl Harbor which saw 40 B5N's carry torpedoes, the rest 800kg bombs. This corrected a long standing complaint about PacWar (all attacked with torps)

After a long debate (on multiple threads) the decision was made to leave port attacks as is for all ports. (combination of torp/bombs for torpedo craft) It was even suggested i believe by some that certain ports should have specific rules but such a course of action was not feasible.

long and short of it. Ports are no longer safe havens like they were in UV.