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Ok, How can the japanese BOMB Wake from down at kwajalein when
a B17 mission from Wake to Bomb ir comes up Out od range?

The B17 was the first of the USA's Heavy Bombers and it out ranged the japanese Medium Level Bombers, like Nells, If a Nell can bomb Wake,
a B17 should have the range plus a bit.

The B24 had even more range and the b29 the greatest, all classed Heavy Bombers with ranges greater then b25,b26 and japans level bombers
through the Betty came close to a Heavy Long range bomber.

Doesn't make sense a Nell can bomb where a B17 cannot.


Edit: Additional:

It seems endurance has alot to do with range, if so then the Nells Endurance really is not proper:

Nell 1130 has more Endurance then a Betty at 990 yet the Bettys ranged out farther then Nells.

Also b17 is 815, B24 is 825 b29 is 1125!

You have in essence given a NELL more endurance then the best, Longer range US Heavy bomber that could endure a longer range with a bigger load then a Nell.

B17,24,29 are Heavy long range bombers and were able to out range ANY Japanese level bomber, its fact.

So Can someone explain why it looks like you cut the Allies biggest advantage: Long range heavy bombers which Japan had nothing to equal,
or is there more to it then plain endurance?

Even if there is something else, the b17 out ranged the Nell.
(with less then a full load of course)

A Nell *greatly* outranges a B-17. It was a huge flying gas can hence the problems with getting shot down. 1 bullet made it into a torch!

ORIGINAL: Mr.Frag

A Nell *greatly* outranges a B-17. It was a huge flying gas can hence the problems with getting shot down. 1 bullet made it into a torch!

Please give some facts

A b17 with a smaller payload had a long range
game had Nells Torping from kwajalen to Wake while a b17 was just out of range, doesn't game take in account longer ramges with smaller payloads?

More to point Why is a Super Fort of less endurance then an Nell? 1130 to B29's 1125?

If endurance qualifies range then a Nell out ranges a B29!

The Bettys were fantastic airplanes. Rugged as a shortlegged allied bomber and still capable of delivering torpedoes for thousands of miles [:'(].

The game has two ranges. Regular load and Reduced load. Ether way, you are NOT getting a B-17 flying to Nell ranges. Perhaps if you gutted all the armor, dropped two engines, and took out all the guns and crew you might get close...

Endurance = time in minutes ... RANGE = endurance x speed.

They are NOT the same thing.

Is the map not a bit too small as well? [8|]

If you have information that would indicate that the game got things backwards, just post it in the OOB thread and it will be looked at.

Looked up some figures

The Nell ( G3M3 model) Had over 3,800 max range, the G3M2 was less then a B17 which had a 3,300

Still should a Nell be abole carry a Torp Load over 3,300 miles since B17 at 3,300 couldn't reach, the Nell were bombing at I'd guess at least 3,500 miles.

I'd think AP load at a certain distance not an Torp load.

Grummppp where are my B24's and B29's so I can Clobber the Japanese...

[:D]


Edit: We need a good idea of how game uses endurance, etc for
Distance if we wish to like create What If scenarios, The Japanese were developing a Heavy Bomber and there were some Prototypes that didn't make it..

See, that's the distinction... the game abstracts the NELL somewhat as it just lists it as an G3M not a G3M2 or G3M3 like it breaks down the Betty.

Part of that is historical I'll wager as the NELL was relegated to reserve duties of various types pretty early in the war.

I looked up some comparatives myself though... The B17 didn't start seeing seriously LONG combat ranges till the B17G model which had a range of nearly 4000 SM. While the G3M3 had the longer ranges you already mentioned from the start of the war. So I'd say they did right on with the NELL.

ORIGINAL: 2Stepper

See, that's the distinction... the game abstracts the NELL somewhat as it just lists it as an G3M not a G3M2 or G3M3 like it breaks down the Betty.

Part of that is historical I'll wager as the NELL was relegated to reserve duties of various types pretty early in the war.

I looked up some comparatives myself though... The B17 didn't start seeing seriously LONG combat ranges till the B17G model which had a range of nearly 4000 SM. While the G3M3 had the longer ranges you already mentioned from the start of the war. So I'd say they did right on with the NELL.

Reminder to self: If play Japan don't allow auto upgrade and upgrade few if any Nells... they seem have better long range then Bettys [:'(]


Through It is Bettys that did alot of Japans "Long Range"
bombing runs..

Grumppp moving in another couple "30" aviation to Wake... let those unescorted Nells run into 90 p40's... [:@][:@]

ORIGINAL: Cmdrcain

Grumppp moving in another couple "30" aviation to Wake... let those unescorted Nells run into 90 p40's... [:@][:@]

Be curious to know how that works for you. Reason I ask is that so far I've had only marginal success with multiple airgroups on cap. I.e. I put 3 on cap over one base and only 1 group flies. Bit odd... Though since I'm still learning its equally possible I missed something... [&:]