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Dutch Minelayers

Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2004 3:37 pm
by doktor1957
I suspect this has been answered before, but is it possible to resupply the Dutch minelayers? I'd really like to put a couple of thousand mines into Rangoon harbor.

RE: Dutch Minelayers

Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2004 3:40 pm
by 2ndACR
Yeah, way up in India IIRC. Diamond Head seems to come to mind. You just have to get them there, thats the hard part.[:D]

RE: Dutch Minelayers

Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2004 3:49 pm
by Oliver Heindorf
size 9 or 10 port

RE: Dutch Minelayers

Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2004 3:55 pm
by DrewMatrix
size 9 or 10 port


Unless you can find an MLE somewhere. Sidney is also a port you can use. But it's a long way from Soerabaja to Sidney and back.

I lay one set (shallow water) and then just send the MLs to Sidney. Thereafter I use them in the Noumea/Luganville/Port Moresby area.

RE: Dutch Minelayers

Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2004 5:22 pm
by Oliver Heindorf
ORIGINAL: Beezle
size 9 or 10 port


Unless you can find an MLE somewhere. Sidney is also a port you can use. But it's a long way from Soerabaja to Sidney and back.

I lay one set (shallow water) and then just send the MLs to Sidney. Thereafter I use them in the Noumea/Luganville/Port Moresby area.

not sure about this one.

dutch & brit DD's and SS's doesnt get their tubes reloaded by US Navy AD / AS respectively.

I'll doubt that the Mines will reload fom an US Navy MLE but this is untested yet/no Info I have.

RE: Dutch Minelayers

Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2004 5:23 pm
by DrewMatrix
dutch & brit DD's and SS's doesnt get their tubes reloaded by US Navy AD / AS respectively.

YIKES! Now there is a bulletin (and I have read the Docs three times). I have been blithely moving AD/AR/AS etc around without regard to nationality.

RE: Dutch Minelayers

Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2004 5:25 pm
by Oliver Heindorf
ORIGINAL: Beezle
dutch & brit DD's and SS's doesnt get their tubes reloaded by US Navy AD / AS respectively.

YIKES! Now there is a bulletin (and I have read the Docs three times). I have been blithely moving AD/AR/AS etc around without regard to nationality.


fb.asp?m=678697&key=reload

there is detailled information. [:)]

RE: Dutch Minelayers

Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2004 5:29 pm
by DrewMatrix
Seems to be a bug which is or will be corrected. Does AD/AS nationality still inhibit loading in version 1.21?

RE: Dutch Minelayers

Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2004 5:33 pm
by Cap Mandrake
Batavia has some mines stockpiled at the start of scen 15

RE: Dutch Minelayers

Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2004 6:19 pm
by Xargun
ORIGINAL: Beezle

Seems to be a bug which is or will be corrected. Does AD/AS nationality still inhibit loading in version 1.21?

I do not believe it is a bug and doubt it will be corrected.. It makes since.. ADs simply do not have the room to carry around torpedoes for every nationality.. They were designed to carry torps for their own navy, not everyones... Now if they all used the same torp, that would be different, but they don't.. Each nationality (US, RN, Dutch - not sure about Oz) used a different torp in their subs and DDs. The only way to reload them is a port...
Most likely the same will happen with MLEs.. but I don't believe anyone starts the game with any (at least not Dec 7 games)..

Also, I do not believe that the Dutch will get any AD, ASs, MLEs and am not sure about OZ or the RN... Perhaps someone else can answer this... I wonder if you convert a ship in Karachi (insteado of San Fran) will it come out as a RN Ship.... Or if they keep their original nationality - either way if the brits want some tenders, simply convert some of their AKs..

Xargun

RE: Dutch Minelayers

Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2004 6:23 pm
by DrewMatrix
Per Mr. Frag (in the thread referenced above):
Was a bug ... Has been fixed.


and
Yes. It was *not* intentional. Had it been intentional, it would have been *in* the manual.

RE: Dutch Minelayers

Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2004 6:23 pm
by Oliver Heindorf
EDIT : beezle was just faster. [;)]

RE: Dutch Minelayers

Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2004 6:24 pm
by tsimmonds
Batavia has some mines stockpiled at the start of scen 15

If you are talking about the mines that are listed as a number on the base screen, those are the mines that have been laid in defensive minefields at that base. Many bases have these....no good for restocking MLs though.

RE: Dutch Minelayers

Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2004 6:43 pm
by Cap Mandrake
ORIGINAL: irrelevant
Batavia has some mines stockpiled at the start of scen 15

If you are talking about the mines that are listed as a number on the base screen, those are the mines that have been laid in defensive minefields at that base. Many bases have these....no good for restocking MLs though.

K..I stand corrected..of course one could try fishing them out of the water [;)]

RE: Dutch Minelayers

Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2004 7:34 pm
by Huskalator
Wouldn't it also make sense that if the USA had a bunch of Dutch subs laying around that the Dutch subs would be modified to fit US torps?

I don't see a problem with letting them reload at US ports. Certainly they wouldn't just leave the subs to rust in port. I don't think it would take that much effort to modify the torpedo tubes.

RE: Dutch Minelayers

Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2004 7:47 pm
by hithere
i'm no torpedo expert...but i would think that it would be next to impossible to "modify" the tubes. from what i have seen in the subs i have been in..the torps match the tubes almost exactly...a very snug fit...i don't think that you would want to put a smaller torp in your tube and have , like 1000 lbs (someone can correct me) banging down the tube. also .... there are design things like displacement and # of tubes.

RE: Dutch Minelayers

Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2004 7:51 pm
by DrewMatrix
If the torpedo is too small you just wrap some rags and old underwear and such around it to get a rough fit. If too small you have the biggest guy in the crew hammer the end of it with a mallet until it scrunches into the tube.

Works with mortar shells, too.

RE: Dutch Minelayers

Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2004 7:54 pm
by hithere
AAHHH....the mystery of why really good sub crew came back in just their boondockers has been solved!!! [:)]

RE: Dutch Minelayers

Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2004 8:03 pm
by DrewMatrix
sub crew that came back in just their boondockers

Exactly. That is why the Dutch sub crews are not coed. They did invite "Jimmy's Girl" on a shakedown cruise, however. [:)]

RE: Dutch Minelayers

Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2004 8:21 pm
by Andy Mac
Who in there right mind would want give RN or Dutch subs US torpedos remember they want to actually do damage on the targets [:D][:D][:D][:D][:D]