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Why can't I use sub float planes?
Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2004 2:11 am
by witpit
I wouldn't mind having midget subs, but could I also have use of the sub float planes for city attcks? If I want to essemble a group of 30 float planes in a sub task force to attack San Fran, Calcutta or something else, I shouold be able to!!
thx
RE: Why can't I use sub float planes?
Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2004 2:14 am
by Tankerace
I asked this question about a year ago while the game was still in development. For whatever reason, and I am guessing time and resources, and the fact that it would be a lot of code to simulate one small attack, this feature was never considered.
RE: Why can't I use sub float planes?
Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2004 2:17 am
by witpit
awwww cmon on! 30 float planes could do some damage.....I think that is about how many are available on subs at Dec 7
[&:]
RE: Why can't I use sub float planes?
Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2004 2:17 am
by Xargun
One of the reasons is that a sub didn't carry much munition for its float plane to conduct attacks - it was designed to scout out targets for the sub, not make attacks on its own.
Plus, I believe the minimum number of planes needed in a group before it will conduct offensive actions is 2 - most subs carry 1 plane.
Xargun
RE: Why can't I use sub float planes?
Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2004 2:18 am
by Platoonist
They do seem to be performing air searches though. I see the Glens reporting my ship's positions all the time. Plus they get shot down as well.
RE: Why can't I use sub float planes?
Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2004 2:18 am
by witpit
evan as a TF?
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RE: Why can't I use sub float planes?
Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2004 2:20 am
by witpit
yes I tested it....sent subs to San Fran....saw ships out of SF LA and SD....just wanted them to start a fire in the Labrea Tar Pits....or whatever they are called!
RE: Why can't I use sub float planes?
Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2004 2:20 am
by Platoonist
*sigh* If only the I-400 class had made it into the game.
RE: Why can't I use sub float planes?
Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2004 2:25 am
by moses
The glen's are great!! Why would you waste them on city attacks. With Japans worthless SIGINT reports what other method do you have of gaining intel outside of the range of your Mavis's.
RE: Why can't I use sub float planes?
Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2004 2:26 am
by witpit
It didn't???? What are I-400 to I-402 in database editor? Are they not what they seem to be?
[X(]
RE: Why can't I use sub float planes?
Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2004 2:27 am
by witpit
naw....its just the idea that I should be able to do what I want to with 'em....thats all
[;)]
RE: Why can't I use sub float planes?
Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2004 2:35 am
by Platoonist
Oh! I see. They are in the game. Listed as Type STo. But I doubt if they will be performing any attacks on the Panama Canal. Another IJN wonder toy I must learn to live without.
RE: Why can't I use sub float planes?
Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2004 2:37 am
by witpit
he he....I know about that scheme to blow up (or at least block) the canal....J Edgar Hoover probably whould have thwarted it...what with all of those american student/spies studying up in Sapporo who were stuck there during the entire war
[>:]
RE: Why can't I use sub float planes?
Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2004 2:41 am
by Caltone
I had a situation where there were ships in a nearby port but no attack planes in the area. I had some float planes at my base so in went my mighty Pete's!.
After several days of attacks, I managed to damage...... the Pete's [:D]
RE: Why can't I use sub float planes?
Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2004 2:46 am
by Platoonist
Dem poor Petes get no respect. [:D]
In one of those 'what-ifs' of history it is my understanding that the two operational I-400 class submarines where en route to Ulithi to bomb the carrier anchorage there when the surrender declaration came through. So...we'll never know how effective or ineffective they would have been.
RE: Why can't I use sub float planes?
Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2004 7:40 am
by Mike Wood
Hello...
Strike missions require a group to have at least two ready planes. Use subs with a complement or 2 or 3 planes and it will work fine.
Bye...
Michael Wood
ORIGINAL: witpit
I wouldn't mind having midget subs, but could I also have use of the sub float planes for city attcks? If I want to essemble a group of 30 float planes in a sub task force to attack San Fran, Calcutta or something else, I shouold be able to!!
thx
RE: Why can't I use sub float planes?
Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2004 12:34 pm
by mongo
Prange made reference to a second Pearl bombing by float planes in Miracle at Midway.
I think it was March 42?
There have also been references to scouts over Seattle as well - checking out the yards.
I believe the commander declined to bomb them for some reason or another.
RE: Why can't I use sub float planes?
Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2004 12:39 pm
by tsimmonds
Prange made reference to a second Pearl bombing by float planes in Miracle at Midway.
I think it was March 42?
Not by float planes, by sea planes. H8Ks that refueled from a submarine at French Frigate Shoals; the infamous Operation K.
Flying Boat Raid
Refueling of two Kawanishi H8K flying boats took place at the French Frigate Shoals during the night of 3 March 1942 before their Raid on Oahu. Submarines I-15 and I-19 were designated the refuelers, and each carried 10-tons of aviation gasoline. I-26 was to accompany them and act as an alternate refueler and picket vessel. I-15 and I-19 would shell any U.S. observation posts they found and enter the lagoon to await the two flying boats. The flagship of the flotilla, I-19, was to be posted about 700 miles southwest of Oahu at "Point M" and was to broadcast a radio beacon for navigational purposes. I-23 would be stationed about 10 miles south of Pearl Harbor for weather observation and rescue purposes should either plane be forced down. In addition, two submarines were to be located 300 miles northwest of Wotje Atoll to help guide the returning raiders to their base. All submarines were to be on station one day prior to the attack.
from pacificwrecks.com
Look at the submarine assets committed to this 2-plane raid! What a waste of effort.
RE: Why can't I use sub float planes?
Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2004 6:00 pm
by witpit
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thx for responses all.....
haven't tried two plane thing yet, but it might be more effective against human allied player perhaps as a bluff or to have person commit resources that would otherwise go elsewhere.....sitll a very minor thing....i dont expect to do to many raids in this fashion...although if I wanted to skew history, I could make all subs that carry one pplane able to carry two...hmmmmm
RE: Why can't I use sub float planes?
Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2004 8:11 pm
by Oleg Mastruko
ORIGINAL: irrelevant
Look at the submarine assets committed to this 2-plane raid! What a waste of effort.
To make it even more ironic, I think I read somewhere USN didn't even notice this attack as "enemy raid" - some bombs failed to explode, some exploded in huge harbor area and someone concluded it's just some minor incidents or abandoned ordnance exploding without explanation or something. [:D]
Imagine going thru all that effort and then the other guy does not even notice whan you "wanted to say" [:D]
O.