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Imagine if Green Peace had been around in WW2
Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2004 3:36 pm
by Feinder
All those tankers that got torpedoed... or every time a ship went down...
Not all of that oil burns off, and it's got to go somewhere.
And all those small airfields built on atolls, those are coral reefs were talking about! Digging out an airfield from a live reef! Imagine the outcry from Green Peace! Or having a vessal get sunk nearby, with all that oil leaking out, corrupting the place!
Not that I'm sympathizing. You do what you have to do. I don't believe in pulling punches. But I'd bet it would make an interesting Master's Thesis on "The environmental impact of war in Truk lagoon." I know Truk is now a Mecca for divers, and quite nice. Does that mean that our environment is more resiliant than we give it credit for, all the crying over oil-spills is over-rated?
(* trolls *)
-F-
RE: Imagine if Green Peace had been around in WW2
Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2004 3:45 pm
by MengCiao
ORIGINAL: Feinder
All those tankers that got torpedoed... or every time a ship went down...
Not all of that oil burns off, and it's got to go somewhere.
And all those small airfields built on atolls, those are coral reefs were talking about! Digging out an airfield from a live reef! Imagine the outcry from Green Peace! Or having a vessal get sunk nearby, with all that oil leaking out, corrupting the place!
Not that I'm sympathizing. You do what you have to do. I don't believe in pulling punches. But I'd bet it would make an interesting Master's Thesis on "The environmental impact of war in Truk lagoon." I know Truk is now a Mecca for divers, and quite nice. Does that mean that our environment is more resiliant than we give it credit for, all the crying over oil-spills is over-rated?
(* trolls *)
-F-
You're forgetting:
1) the "environment" is not only largely destroyed, but what little is left is only a crappy, impoverished version of what the world was like before it was totally trashed from pole to pole
2) WWII did have the immense benefit of stopping whaling for a few years. Whale populations exploded while mankind was busy blowing up whaling ships.
RE: Imagine if Green Peace had been around in WW2
Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2004 3:45 pm
by Brady
I have often thought of this as well, just think of all the Tankers that were sunk off the east coast in WW2 During the second Happy time..operation Drum Beat, and what if any impact those spills have had today.
RE: Imagine if Green Peace had been around in WW2
Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2004 3:51 pm
by ElvisDaKing
Well, if Greenpeace boats were present in game, then OOB must be modified to add french frogmen…[8|]
RE: Imagine if Green Peace had been around in WW2
Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2004 3:54 pm
by Clipper1968
We would probably have sunk their boats...[;)]
RE: Imagine if Green Peace had been around in WW2
Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2004 4:08 pm
by MengCiao
ORIGINAL: Brady
I have often thought of this as well, just think of all the Tankers that were sunk off the east coast in WW2 During the second Happy time..operation Drum Beat, and what if any impact those spills have had today.
Good question. Right now in North Carolina there are so many other things messing up the coast that you probably wouldn't even notice the difference from a few tankers being blown up by subs.
RE: Imagine if Green Peace had been around in WW2
Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2004 4:35 pm
by Brady
If memory serves somthing like 600 ships were lost off the east coast and in the carabiean, and given that the freighters and other ships typicaly had conseradable bunkerage I would think even they would of presented some kind of issue. Many ships went down in sight of land as well.
RE: Imagine if Green Peace had been around in WW2
Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2004 4:35 pm
by Nikademus
I just had 12 tankers sunk off Palembang while loading oil. Definately getting taken off Greenpeace's Xmas card list.... [X(]
RE: Imagine if Green Peace had been around in WW2
Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2004 4:39 pm
by Brady
When I was in my early 20's I had this beater of a Toyata, it leaked stuff from almost every posable source and left a slick behind it on rany days, my bosses wife looked at me one day while we observed the oil streak that lindicated the path I had taken to get to their house on a wet streat, she said "Bradyyour just not a frend of the enviourment are you"....
RE: Imagine if Green Peace had been around in WW2
Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2004 4:57 pm
by ElvisDaKing
I saw a document someday ago about a US Tanker sunk by one these kamaikaze torpedoes at Saipan.
The ship went down quite quickly with a huge part of her cargo.
Some years ago, so more than 50 years after the events, a US Navy operation recovered the cargo, millions of avgas litres, which were remaining in the belly of the tanker at the bottom of the sea…(not very deep).
I know also that fuel is still leaking from the BB Arizona at the bottom of PH bay.
So there is still danger of sea pollution due to WWII , but fortunately it seems that, in some case, governments are concerned about this… [8D]
RE: Imagine if Green Peace had been around in WW2
Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2004 5:14 pm
by Nikademus
we should be more worried about the fact that the average temperatures in the polar regions are increasing yearly. Thats alot of ice meltin..... [X(]
RE: Imagine if Green Peace had been around in WW2
Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2004 5:19 pm
by tsimmonds
But Global Warming is just a theory.[;)]
RE: Imagine if Green Peace had been around in WW2
Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2004 5:22 pm
by Nikademus
tell that to the Polar Bears.... (glug glug) [;)]
RE: Imagine if Green Peace had been around in WW2
Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2004 5:38 pm
by MengCiao
ORIGINAL: irrelevant
But Global Warming is just a theory.[;)]
I thought it was a confirmed observation. What is a bit theoretical is to what extent some of it is part of some "normal" cycle...like the normal cycle that cataclysmically alters the circulation of the Gulf Stream when the planet goes in and out of "Ice Ages" and so on.
RE: Imagine if Green Peace had been around in WW2
Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2004 5:51 pm
by Feinder
Living in Land o' Lakes, Florida, I welcome our new Global Warming Masters. At 81' above sea-level in Central Florida, I'm kinda looking forward to having beach-front property.
-F-
RE: Imagine if Green Peace had been around in WW2
Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2004 5:56 pm
by PeteG662
Time to move inland or get scuba gear!
RE: Imagine if Green Peace had been around in WW2
Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2004 6:06 pm
by tsimmonds
ORIGINAL: MengCiao
ORIGINAL: irrelevant
But Global Warming is just a theory.[;)]
I thought it was a confirmed observation. What is a bit theoretical is to what extent some of it is part of some "normal" cycle...like the normal cycle that cataclysmically alters the circulation of the Gulf Stream when the planet goes in and out of "Ice Ages" and so on.
It's a joke. I'm making fun of a certain US politican who wants more data before he makes up his mind as to whether it really exists or not.
RE: Imagine if Green Peace had been around in WW2
Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2004 6:36 pm
by watchtower
Well this is henderson 1n 2002 - I'ts the green patch on right (
http://home.earthlink.net/~jfeenstra/so ... c_tour.htm ) taken from this site.
RE: Imagine if Green Peace had been around in WW2
Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2004 6:37 pm
by watchtower
don't look too bad!!!
RE: Imagine if Green Peace had been around in WW2
Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2004 6:44 pm
by Dereck
You have to remember that when a submarine torpedoed a tanker that not only was the oil spilling into the ocean but it was also BURNING. Probably wasn't much oil left that hadn't been burnt away.
From watching shows on the History Channel about convoys and seeing them talk to ex-merchant marine sailors who served on convoy ships it seems as if the tankers, when torpedoed, caused an explosion which naturally resulted in the oil/gas starting fire.