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Can you tell me who these pilots are???

Nishazawa,2nd row,middle..Ota(rear left),Sakai,(rear right.)
Saw this pic 20 years ago so if I'm wrong,I'll be wrong in a big way!..
This is Tainan group at Lae..

ORIGINAL: m10bob

Nishazawa,2nd row,middle..Ota(rear left),Sakai,(rear right.)
Saw this pic 20 years ago so if I'm wrong,I'll be wrong in a big way!..
This is Tainan group at Lae..

Correctly guessed members of the famous Lae Air Wing!!!

These five members of the Lae Wing accounted for at least 223 kills by wars end, true figures are probably higher.

but.... you named a few of the right names but guessed their wrong places in the pic....

Saburo Sakai you placed correctly....

Can anyone else get the rest correctly???

Any of these guys Honda? You see, the thing is I put Saburo as my avatar after an unsuccesful hunt for Honda's pic. Sure could use one...

just checking my avatar..[:'(]

http://www.acepilots.com/misc_hartmann.html

352 alone[;)]

ORIGINAL: Honda

Any of these guys Honda? You see, the thing is I put Saburo as my avatar after an unsuccesful hunt for Honda's pic. Sure could use one...

no honda here [;)]

Nissan and Ford here...[:D]

He's elusive...Can't find him anywhre.

ORIGINAL: Honda

He's elusive...Can't find him anywhre.

ill see if i can find him [:)]

The fun thing about Japanese victory claims is that, unlike the air services of every other nation I'm aware of, it doesn't seem that anyone in Japan was even trying to verify those claims at the time. It doesn't even appear to have occurred to anyone. The deliberate destruction of records by the Japanese at war's end makes it difficult to go back and verify individual claims against actual Allied losses, but what records did survive don't give any reason to believe that Japanese fighter pilots were any more immune to overclaiming than any other fighter pilots in the world.

The true figures are probably lower.

ORIGINAL: Honda

He's elusive...Can't find him anywhre.

[:)]

ORIGINAL: CynicAl

The fun thing about Japanese victory claims is that, unlike the air services of every other nation I'm aware of, it doesn't seem that anyone in Japan was even trying to verify those claims at the time. It doesn't even appear to have occurred to anyone. The deliberate destruction of records by the Japanese at war's end makes it difficult to go back and verify individual claims against actual Allied losses, but what records did survive don't give any reason to believe that Japanese fighter pilots were any more immune to overclaiming than any other fighter pilots in the world.

The true figures are probably lower.

Nope they have already been lowered:

You will find the same estimates most everywhere you look. These are estimates after lowering thus why many consider them higher.

You will find very similiar numbers on this very well researched webpage and most other sources. Check it out:

http://users.accesscomm.ca/magnusfamily/ww2jap.htm

Also: http://www.frenkenstein.com/ww2/japan/Japan.htm

Japanese Aces:

Unlike their western bretheren, Japanese aviators did not leave much of
a paper trail regarding their aerial combat claims. Most western nations
had set up some form of "official" recognition, whether it be as part of
the record keeping for the unit, or with an official bureau to register
claims.
In the China and Nomonhan Wars, and the early part of World War Two, various
units did record individual claims, but this was largely discontinued in the
later years of World War Two, usually with official directives prohibiting
the practice of recognizing individual claims.
But, like fighter pilots elsewhere, many pilots did keep personal scores in
such things like diaries and logs.
Thus, when it comes to creating a list of Japanese aces, information
regarding victories is incomplete, and in many cases speculative and based on
personal versus official records.
Many scholars have recognized the problem with trying to validate claims, and
many have compensated by adjusting total claims to lower values by using a
percentage, which is often very arbitrary, and sometimes can be as much as 50
percent.

Ota should be front left.
Nishizawa front right?!

ORIGINAL: Marc

Ota should be front left.
Nishizawa front right?!

Correct!!! [:)]

Now who are the last two up top???

top left Miyazaki?

ORIGINAL: Marc

top left Miyazaki?

nope [:)]

OK. I'm only guessing.
Top middle Endo.

ORIGINAL: Marc

OK. I'm only guessing.
Top middle Endo.

guess again [;)]

Junichi Sasai