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Check it out.

http://www.history.navy.mil/faqs/faq82-1.htm

ORIGINAL: TheElf

Check it out.

http://www.history.navy.mil/faqs/faq82-1.htm

More than one collision in there--two in the same month in San Francisco Bay (June, 1942).

Hat's off!

ORIGINAL: Tristanjohn

ORIGINAL: TheElf

Check it out.

http://www.history.navy.mil/faqs/faq82-1.htm

More than one collision in there--two in the same month in San Francisco Bay (June, 1942).

Hat's off!

dont drink & drive.

ORIGINAL: Oliver Heindorf

ORIGINAL: Tristanjohn

ORIGINAL: TheElf

Check it out.

http://www.history.navy.mil/faqs/faq82-1.htm

More than one collision in there--two in the same month in San Francisco Bay (June, 1942).

Hat's off!

dont drink & drive.

The one I always come back to is that Aussie DD that the Saratoga cut in half.

ORIGINAL: Tristanjohn

ORIGINAL: TheElf

Check it out.

http://www.history.navy.mil/faqs/faq82-1.htm

More than one collision in there--two in the same month in San Francisco Bay (June, 1942).

Hat's off!

More disturbing than collisions...[:(]

USS Dorado (SS-248) probably sunk in error by US aircraft in the Caribbean Sea,
12 October 1943.

USS Seawolf (SS-197) sunk in error by destroyer escort USS Richard M. Rowell (DE-403) off Morotai, 3 October 1944.

USS Tullibee (SS-284) sunk by own torpedo north of Palau, Caroline Islands, 26 March 1944.

I think there were many more SS that were sunk by own torps. I remember something from Gene Fluckey's book about a sub that has half of its 6 torp spread turn around on it, and wouldn't you know it, not one dud.

USS Murphy (DD603) - lost her bow (from the stack forward) in the Atlantic because an oiler sonar operator mistook her prop noise for a torpedo. The oiler turned into the threat and cut off the bow. She's not listed as sunk, though, because the after section was towed back to Staten Island and refitted with a new bow and she served out the rest of the war.

The West Loch disaster at Pearl Harbor (several LSTs and LCTs destroyed in explosions) also stands out - 21 May 1944. It's probably a good thing that WiTP doesn't have random disasters hitting ports, although the armed forces had enough of them during the war. D-Day practice landings in Devon/Cornwall led to over 1000 men being killed by friendly fire and an accidental encounter with German E-Boats (at least the last one was enemy action), and loads of civilians were asphyciated in Italy when their train was stopped in a tunnel because the military needed the tracks. I'm sure there are a lot more port explosions, gas leaks and other large-scale accidents people can point to. If any of my LSTs disappear in future, I'll know it isn't a bug, just a poorly loaded mortar or fuel line that burst and destroyed the ship. And a disappearing sub -- well, they have a way of shooting themselves...

I once have posted to different threads about the appalling accident rate during WW2 on both sides. Check out USN Official Chronology book or site - almost every day at the beginning of the war, ships from the same side were firing on each other, running into each other/reefs, etc. THe worse one was an ammo explosion that wiped out multiple ships for the US late in the war - USS Mount Hood (AE-11) -- Explosion, 10/11 November 1944 - Seeadler Harbor, Manus. Thirteen small boats/landing craft sunk, dozens of other ships and boats damaged but repairable (up to CVE size), and hundreds killed and injured. USS Mount Hood was obliterated and everyone aboard killed.

EDIT: In game terms (which of course are trivial compared to real events) - can you imagine the screaming, bitching, and moaning that would occur on the boards if something like this happened as a random event in the game?

ORIGINAL: Onime No Kyo

I think there were many more SS that were sunk by own torps. I remember something from Gene Fluckey's book about a sub that has half of its 6 torp spread turn around on it, and wouldn't you know it, not one dud.

This was one of the 4 problems with the US Mark 14 torpedo - along with running too deep, defective magnetic fuse, defective contact fuse.

The US finally put in an anti-circling device that would disarm the torp if it started to circle.

I have never seen the problem of what caused it addressed in print, however, in one book, Schratz (?sp), a guy who was a top sub commander after the war and who was an exec throughout most of the war mentioned that it was possible to install a key part backwards (gyro or something to do with it) during maintenance, and if that happened, the torpedo would be expected to circle back toward the firing submarine. He mentioned it after having a run-in with the torpedo establishment about the Mark 14 problems. The shore based guys came out to show them how to properly maintain the torpedoes. After watching them complete the job, he pointed out the experts had installed the gyro-thingy backwards, and saw the blood drain from the "experts" faces, and they left shortly after they realized what they had done, and what the consequences would have been had the torpedo been fired.

Here is a site with some excellent pics of the Mt Hood explosion

ORIGINAL: irrelevant

Here is a site with some excellent pics of the Mt Hood explosion

I think they tempted fate a little too much naming the ship after a volcano.

Most of our ammunition ships were named after volcanoes. Whoever said that navy has no sense of humour? Though in actuality it was probably done to remind the sailors aboard those ships just how precarious their position was...

Didn't another ammo ship blow up in Pearl Harbor (1943 or 44)? I was thinking maybe it was Mt. Hood but obviously that's not it. The one I'm thinking of was moored with a large group of other supply ships and seems like a couple of those cooked off, too. Improperly stored aviation fuel, I think, was blamed for it.

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Whoever said that navy has no sense of humour? Though in actuality it was probably done to remind the sailors aboard those ships just how precarious their position was...

Yeah -- my favorite is Pyro[:D]
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And who would want to serve on the USS Nitro? Pyro's sister ship IIRC.

Great site but this is the definition of irony:

U.S. Navy Minecraft

Mine layer (CM)

USS Miantonomah (CM-10) sunk by a mine off Le Havre, France, 25 September 1944.

ORIGINAL: RUPD3658

Great site but this is the definition of irony:

U.S. Navy Minecraft

Mine layer (CM)

USS Miantonomah (CM-10) sunk by a mine off Le Havre, France, 25 September 1944.

[:D][:D][:D]



Harrer

This is a rehash of an old post of mine, using the same source. Presuming the Miantonomah was sweeping rather than laying mines, it seems a fairly common incident, which isn't at all odd, really, 'pose.

A list of USN minesweepers lost in the PTO & what killed them:

Light Mine layer (DM):

USS Gamble (DM-15) damaged by aircraft bombs off Iwo Jima, Volcano Islands,
18 February 1945, and scuttled off Saipan, Mariana Islands, 16 July 1945.

USS Montgomery (DM-17) scrapped after being damaged by a mine off Palau, Caroline Islands, 17 October 1944.

Mine sweeper, High Speed (DMS):

USS Emmons (DMS-22) sunk after being hit by five Kamikaze aircraft off Okinawa, Ryukyu Islands, 6 April 1945. *Ouch!*

USS Hovey (DMS-11) sunk after being torpedoed by Japanese aircraft in Lingayen Gulf, Luzon, Philippine Islands, 6 January 1945.

USS Long (DMS-12) sunk by Kamikaze attack in Lingayen Gulf, Luzon, Philippine Islands, 6 January 1945.

USS Palmer (DMS-5) sunk by Japanese aircraft in Lingayen Gulf, Luzon, Philippine Islands, 7 January 1945.

USS Perry (DMS-17) sunk by a mine off Palau, Caroline Islands, 13 September, 1944.

USS Wasmuth (DMS-15) sunk by explosion of depth charges during gale off Aleutian Islands, 29 December 1942. *Sweet merciful cr*p, not a boat I'd wanna be on*

Mine sweeper (AM):

USS Bittern (AM-36) Sunk by aircraft bombs at Cavite, Luzon, Philippine Islands,
10 December 1941.

USS Finch (AM-9) sunk by Japanese aircraft off Corregidor, Luzon, Philippine Islands, 11 April 1942.

USS Minivet (AM-371) sunk by a mine in Tsushima Strait, Japan, 29 December 1945.

USS Penguin (AM-33) sunk by Japanese aircraft off Guam, Marianas Islands, 8 December 1941.

USS Quail (AM-15) scuttled off Corregidor, Luzon, Philippine Islands, 6 May 1942.

USS Salute (AM-294) sunk by a mine off Brunei, Borneo, 8 June 1945.

USS Skylark (AM-63) sunk by a mine off Okinawa, Ryukyu Islands, 28 March 1945.

USS Swallow (AM-65) sunk after being hit by a single Kamikaze aircraft off Okinawa, Ryukyu Islands, 22 April 1945.

USS Tanager (AM-5) sunk by shore batteries off Corregidor, Luzon, Philippine Islands, 4 May 1942.

Mine sweeper, Coastal (AMc):

USS Bunting (AMc-7) sunk by collision in San Francisco Bay, California, 3 June 1942.

USS Crow (AMc-20) sunk by erratic running aircraft torpedo in Puget Sound, Washington, 23 August 1943. *LOL - well, not funny really...*

USS Hornbill (AMc-13) sunk after collision with the lumber schooner Esther Johnson in San Francisco Bay, California, 30 June 1942.

Motor Mine sweepers (YMS):

USS YMS-19 sunk by a mine off Palau, Caroline Islands, 24 September 1944.

USS YMS-39 sunk by a mine off Balikpapan, Philippine Islands, 26 June 1945.

USS YMS-48 sunk by shore batteries in Manila Bay, Luzon, Philippine Islands, 14 February 1945.

USS YMS-50 sunk by a mine off Balikpapan, Philippine Islands, 18 June 1945.

USS YMS-70 foundered off Leyte, Philippine Islands, 17 October 1944.

USS YMS-71 sunk by a mine off Brunei, Borneo, 3 April 1945.

USS YMS-84 sunk by a mine off Balikpapan, Philippine Islands, 8 July 1945.

USS YMS-98 sunk off Okinawa, Ryukyu Islands, 16 September 1945.

USS YMS-103 sunk by a mine off Okinawa, Ryukyu Islands, 8 April 1945.

USS YMS-127 sunk in the Aleutian Islands, 10 January 1944.

USS YMS-133 foundered off Coos Bay, Oregon, 21 February 1943.

USS YMS-365 sunk by a mine off Balikpapan, Philippine Islands, 26 June 1945.

USS YMS-385 sunk by a mine off Ulithi, Caroline Islands, 1 October 1944.

USS YMS-481 sunk by shore batteries off Tarakan, Borneo, 2 May 1945.

Here's another one you might find interesting.

Vessels lost to friendly fire, Pacific:

USS Seawolf (SS-197) sunk in error by destroyer escort USS Richard M. Rowell (DE-403) off Morotai, 3 October 1944.

PT-77 sunk in error by the USS Conyngham (DD-371) and USS Lough (DE-586) near Talin Point, Luzon, Philippine Islands, 1 February 1945.

PT-79 sunk in error by the USS Conyngham (DD-371) and USS Lough (DE-586) near Talin Point, Luzon, Philippine Islands, 1 February 1945.

PT-121 destroyed by Australian aircraft, mistaken identification, Bangula Bay, New Britain, 27 March 1944.

PT-353 destroyed by Australian aircraft, mistaken identification, Bangula Bay, New Britain Island, 27 March 1944.

PT-166 destroyed in error by US Army Air Force B-25 bombers, mistaken identification, off New Georgia, 20 July 1943.

PT-283 damaged by Japanese shore batteries or wild shot from U.S. warship, 18 March 1944, and sank off Bougainville, Solomon Islands, 19 March 1944.

PT-346 destroyed by U.S. Navy aircraft, mistaken identification, near Cape Pomas, New Britain Island, 29 April 1944.

PT-347 destroyed by U.S. Navy aircraft, mistaken identification, near Cape Pomas, New Britain Island, 29 April 1944.

Vessels lost in incidents otherwise not involving the enemy, Pacific:

DD's:

USS Hull (DD-350) foundered during a typhoon in the Philippine Sea, 18 December 1944.

USS Monaghan (DD-354) foundered during a typhoon in the Philippine Sea, 18 December 1944

USS Spence (DD-512) capsized during a typhoon in the Philippine Sea, 18 December 1944.

USS Perkins (DD-377) sunk in collision with HMAS Duntroon off Cape Vogel, New Guinea, 29 November 1943

USS Worden (DD-352) Wrecked off Amchitka, Aleutian Islands, 12 January 1943.

*59 DD's were lost in the pacific, so a 8.5% of losses were non-combat *

DMS'

USS Wasmuth (DMS-15) sunk by explosion of depth charges during gale off Aleutian Islands, 29 December 1942.

*Six DMS's were lost / non-op = 16.5% *

SS'

USS Robalo (SS-273) sunk by a internal explosion or a mine off Palawan, Philippine Islands, 26 July 1944.

USS S-28 (SS-133) failed to surface during training exercises with the USCGC Reliance (WPC-150) off Pearl Harbor, Hawaii, 4 July 1944.

USS S-27 (SS-132) lost by grounding on a reef off St. Makarius Point, Amchitka, Aleutian Islands, 19 June 1942.

USS S-36 (SS-141) lost by grounding on Taka Bakang Reef, Makassar Strait, 20 January 1942.

USS S-39 (SS-144) lost by grounding south off Rossel Island, Louisiade Archipelago,
14 August 1942.

USS Darter (SS-227) stranded on Bombay Shoal, off Palawan, Philippine Islands, and destroyed to prevent capture, 24 October 1944.

USS Tang (SS-306) sunk by own torpedo off Formosa, 24 October 1944.

USS Tullibee (SS-284) sunk by own torpedo north of Palau, Caroline Islands, 26 March 1944.

*49 subs were lost in the Pacific, so 18.5% of subs were non-combat or FF losses *

PT's

PT-22 scrapped after being badly damaged in a storm at Dora Harbor, Alaska, 11 June 1943.

PT-28 damaged beyond repair in a storm at Dora Harbor, Alaska, 12 January 1943.

PT-31 grounded in enemy waters and destroyed to prevent capture, Subic Bay, Luzon, Philippine Islands, 19 January 1942.
PT-32 destroyed to prevent capture, Tagauayan Island, Philippine Islands, 13 March 1942.

PT-33 grounded in enemy waters, 15 December 1941, and destroyed to prevent capture, Cape Santiago, Luzon, Philippine Islands, 26 December 1941.

PT-35 destroyed to prevent capture, Cebu City, Cebu, Philippine Islands, 12 April 1942.

PT-41 destroyed to prevent capture on road to Lake Lanao, Mindanao, Philippine Islands, 15 April 1942.

PT-63 destroyed by accidental fire while refueling in port, Hamburg Bay, Emirau Island, 18 June 1944.

PT-67 destroyed by accidental fire while refueling in port, Tufi, New Guinea, 17 March 1943.

PT-68 grounded in enemy waters and destroyed to prevent capture near Vincke Point, New Guinea, 1 October 1943.

PT-73 grounded in enemy waters and destroyed to prevent capture, Baliquias Bay, Mindoro, Philippine Islands, 15 January 1945.

PT-107 destroyed by accidental fire while refueling in port, Hamburg Bay, Emirau Island, 18 June 1944.

PT-110 sunk after collision in Ablingi Harbor, New Britain, 26 January 1944.

PT-113 destroyed as a result of grounding, not in enemy waters, Veale Reef, near Tufi, New Guinea, 8 August 1943.

PT-118 grounded in enemy waters and destroyed to prevent capture, off Vella Lavella, Solomon Islands, 7 September 1943.

PT-119 destroyed by fire in port, Tufi, New Guinea, 17 March 1943.

PT-135 grounded in enemy waters and destroyed to prevent capture, near Crater Point, New Britain, 12 April 1944.

PT-136 grounded in enemy waters and destroyed to prevent capture, Malai Island, Vitiaz Strait, New Guinea, 17 September 1943.

PT-145 grounded in enemy waters and destroyed to prevent capture, Mindiri, New Guinea, 4 January 1944.

PT-147 grounded in enemy waters and destroyed to prevent capture, Teliata Point, New Guinea, 20 November 1943.

PT-153 grounded in enemy waters and destroyed to prevent capture, near Munda Point, New Georgia, 4 July 1943.

PT-158 grounded in enemy waters and destroyed to prevent capture, near Munda Point, New Georgia, 5 July 1943.

PT-172 grounded in enemy waters and destroyed to prevent capture, off Vella Lavella, Solomon Islands, 7 September 1943.

PT-193 grounded in enemy waters and destroyed to prevent capture, Noemfoor Island, New Guinea, 25 June 1944.

PT-219 damaged in storm and scrapped, near Attu, Aleutian Islands, 14 September 1943.

PT-239 destroyed by fire in port, Lambu Lambu, Vella Lavella, Solomon Islands,
14 December 1943.

PT-279 lost in collision, off Bougainville, Solomon Islands, 11 February 1944.

PT-301 damaged by explosion in port and scrapped, Mios Woendi, New Guinea,
7 November 1944.

PT-321 grounded in enemy waters and destroyed to prevent capture, San Isidro Bay, Leyte, Philippine Islands, 11 November 1944.

PT-322 grounded in enemy waters and destroyed to prevent capture, near Hardenberg Point, New Guinea, 23 November 1943.

PT-338 grounded, 27 January 1945, and destroyed as a result of grounding, not in enemy waters, Semirara Island, Philippine Islands, 31 January 1945.

PT-339 grounded in enemy waters and destroyed to prevent capture, near Pur Pur, New Guinea, 27 May 1944.

PT-368 grounded in enemy waters and destroyed to prevent capture, near Cape Salimoedi, Halmahera, Netherlands East Indies, 11 October 1944.

PT-371 grounded in enemy waters and destroyed to prevent capture, near Tagalasa, Halmahera, Netherlands East Indies, 19 September 1944.

*63 PT's were lost in the Pacific, of which 42 (!) were operational or friendly fire losses = 66.5% *

ORIGINAL: timtom

Here's another one you might find interesting.


*59 DD's were lost in the pacific, so a 8.5% of losses were non-combat *
*Six DMS's were lost / non-op = 16.5% *
*49 subs were lost in the Pacific, so 18.5% of subs were non-combat or FF losses *
*63 PT's were lost in the Pacific, of which 42 (!) were operational or friendly fire losses = 66.5% *

Don't forget IJN battleships, 9 lost total, one lost operationally=11.11%