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Battles
Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2005 5:42 am
by Hostun
When a tactical battle is running, is the game paused on global map ?
RE: Battles
Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2005 1:42 pm
by ericbabe
Yes.
Everything is turn-based. The game structure is such that all players enter their orders (orders phase), then the orders are carried out (movement phase). Battles occur during the movement phase.
Eric
RE: Battles
Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2005 5:57 pm
by Darksky
how much wide will be usually the tact-combat map ? I.e. how many hexes x hexes ?
RE: Battles
Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2005 6:36 pm
by ericbabe
This size is 40x40. We experimented with many different sizes. I was concerned that detailed battles would take too long. 40x40 was the best size we found to give players room enough to maneuver, but not so much room that tactical battles turn into a game of hide and seek. Players usually start close enough to each other that they encounter each other and begin shooting by the third round of the detailed battle, though occasionaly (such as when fighting in one of the heavily forested provinces, in the winter, with no cavalry) contact can take a bit longer.
Eric
RE: Battles
Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2005 7:35 pm
by Darksky
Will be take in consideration the "elevation" of single hex ( i.e. for best spotting, artillery LoF and range, and so on ).
RE: Battles
Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2005 1:10 am
by Forward_March
ON detatiled battle, what is the unit size we're dealing with? ...since 40X40 hexes would seem a bit crowded with companies of skirmishers all about.
P.S. I'd just like to thank Ericbabe for his speedy anwers to questions.
RE: Battles
Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2005 12:58 pm
by ericbabe
We only have two elevations. Being elevated affects sighting, targeting, and many other things.
RE: Battles
Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2005 1:06 pm
by ericbabe
Combat is at the division level, though divisions may split into two separate units and deploy at different locations on the map.
"Skirmishers deployed" is a state that a unit can enter. It doesn't create a separate skirmisher unit. Combats at the division level must include some degree of abstraction since, realistically, a division has a theoretical maximum of around 10,000 men and at any scale we could reasonably do would probably be deployed over several hexes in various formations and locally would have very different states of skirmish, supply, and morale. To keep it playable we abstract all this at the division level.
Large battles have perhaps 20-30 units per side (which includes some garrison and supply caisson units). Depending on the starting situation battles tend either to have one large line or to break into several smaller battles at different locations. We tested quite a bit to adjust the map to what we felt was just the right size to give players room to maneuver, but not so much room that battles would take eight hours of real time to resolve.
Eric
RE: Battles
Posted: Fri May 06, 2005 12:51 pm
by 2gaulle
if battle are at division level, I don't understand why you have so many different figure type. Unless your unit are grouped by division , light, lancer, horse art, ingener etc dosn't look like necesssary. [&:] (hope you didn't made light infantry division for exemple!)
At a stategic level all you need are Infantry light/heavy cavalry and reserve art figure
RE: Battles
Posted: Fri May 06, 2005 1:30 pm
by Le Tondu
2gaulle,
It seems to me that at the Strategic level, what is shown is much simpler than what is shown at the battle/ tactical level. I think that you possibly might be confusing what is shown at the two different levels.
Rick
RE: Battles
Posted: Fri May 06, 2005 5:24 pm
by steveh11Matrix
Besides, at the Strategic level you definitely don't need the animated figures!
Steve.
RE: Battles
Posted: Fri May 06, 2005 8:48 pm
by Le Tondu
ORIGINAL: steveh11Matrix
Besides, at the Strategic level you definitely don't need the animated figures!
Steve.
They're not 3D are they?
RE: Battles
Posted: Sat May 07, 2005 1:37 pm
by 2gaulle
what it the scale of the tactical battle hex?
is there only one unit by division?
RE: Battles
Posted: Sat May 07, 2005 3:19 pm
by Le Tondu
ORIGINAL: 2gaulle
what it the scale of the tactical battle hex?
Not sure. I didn't see it mentioned on their website. I does say however that the tactical map is 50x50 instead of the 40x40 that I've seen elsewhere.
ORIGINAL: 2gaulle
is there only one unit by division?
See below
ORIGINAL: ericbabe
Combat is at the division level, though divisions may split into two separate units and deploy at different locations on the map.
"Skirmishers deployed" is a state that a unit can enter. It doesn't create a separate skirmisher unit. Combats at the division level must include some degree of abstraction since, realistically, a division has a theoretical maximum of around 10,000 men and at any scale we could reasonably do would probably be deployed over several hexes in various formations and locally would have very different states of skirmish, supply, and morale. To keep it playable we abstract all this at the division level.
Large battles have perhaps 20-30 units per side (which includes some garrison and supply caisson units). Depending on the starting situation battles tend either to have one large line or to break into several smaller battles at different locations. We tested quite a bit to adjust the map to what we felt was just the right size to give players room to maneuver, but not so much room that battles would take eight hours of real time to resolve.
Eric
RE: Battles
Posted: Sat May 07, 2005 3:36 pm
by 2gaulle
Not sure. I didn't see it mentioned on their website. I does say however that the tactical map is 50x50 instead of the 40x40 that I've seen elsewhere.
sound to me important to know the scale
Combat is at the division level, though divisions may split into two separate units and deploy at different locations on the map.
is there only one unit by hex?
also that means somewhere there is artillery division as it's the only way to show artillery[&:][&:][&:][&:][&:][&:]
RE: Battles
Posted: Sun May 08, 2005 4:01 am
by Le Tondu
In this screenshot, it appears that there is four divisions in each hex.
http://www.west-civ.com/snapshots/Crown ... _Snap7.jpg
This one as well.
http://www.west-civ.com/snapshots/Crown ... _Snap6.jpg
Same here. (This one looks as though there is something that looks like Horse Artillery, but no Line Artillery.)
http://www.west-civ.com/snapshots/Crown ... _Snap5.jpg
None of these screenshots show any division of artilley. There also doesn't seem to be a hex with just a single division in it. (One screenshot had a hex with three divisions though. Perhaps ericbabe can help enlighten us?
RE: Battles
Posted: Mon May 09, 2005 2:43 pm
by Mr. Z
None of these screenshots show any division of artilley. There also doesn't seem to be a hex with just a single division in it. (One screenshot had a hex with three divisions though. Perhaps ericbabe can help enlighten us?
Just to clarify for everyone, these are the NATO chits. Four chits are used to represent each division (i.e. each unit--they're roughly equivalent) using the chit-view. This lets us use the chits to communicate information such as formation (sqare, line, etc.) I believe this is what our chit-view will look like moving forward, but ericbabe can correct me if I am wrong.
RE: Battles
Posted: Mon May 09, 2005 2:50 pm
by James Ward
No chit I'm really looking forwad to this game! [:)]
RE: Battles
Posted: Mon May 09, 2005 3:41 pm
by ericbabe
None of these screenshots show any division of artilley. There also doesn't seem to be a hex with just a single division in it. (One screenshot had a hex with three divisions though. Perhaps ericbabe can help enlighten us?
Detailed combat is one unit per hex. In the chit view, each unit (whether a division or a split-division) is shown with four chits arranged to show formation.
There are artillery units that are treated in the same way we treat divisions of infantry and cavalry -- they are individual units on the strategic level and detailed level, are produced, moved, attached in a similar manner to inf/cav.
Eric
RE: Battles
Posted: Mon May 09, 2005 8:05 pm
by Le Tondu
(My questions are in regards to the detailed or "tactical" level.)
Just how big will this artillery unit be if it and only it can be on a specific hex? How many guns would we be talking about here?
If an artillery unit is occupying a hex, will an infantry unit be able to go there too --assuming that a hex is only big enough to have a single division sized unit on it?
The handling of artillery is a concern of mine. For instance, a French division had some foot and horse artillery as an integral part of the division's organisation. The French also had artillery at the Corps and Army level. (The Prussians never had any at the Army level thoughout the entire Napoleonic Era.) What happens to the Prussians is important to me.
--OR is the division level artillery ability taken into account when we see a division on the screen in specific hex? Meaning, the division's artillery is "there." We just don't "see" it on the screen as an individual unit.
