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Tim,
Throw us hungary tactical Napoleonic fans a bone? Progress? Screenies? Something?
Anything?[&o]
DavidI

I believe that in another thread such a release of information or screenshots has been mentioned. The crowd is hushed. [;)]

Le Tondu,
Tim has been very good about responding to forum questions. I figured he will either cough up some new info, or tell us that he doesn't have anything at present but is working hard on it.[;)]
David

ORIGINAL: DavidI

......................but is working hard on it.[;)]
David

On that we can be certain. [8D]

May update? It's May already?

Not much to "show" this month...more action behind the scenes. I am getting a new version this week...

1) Up to 3800 unit pictures
2) AI scripting interface updated
3) Unit icons, base terrain (minus hexsides) all done
4) New zoom method with reduced bitmap images...easier for modders to create new terrain sets
5) Better hexside images (still in the works)

There are two interface modifications to be made...as long as they are done, I will get up the new shots...I have been waiting until they looked presentable.

Tim

Woo Hoooo! Now, I call that a fast return. We'll be waiting.

Tim,
Thanks for the update. Sounds like you are moving right along. I look forward to seeing your teasers when they are ready. Even more than that I look forward to playing a serious game about Napoleonic tactical warfare. With it's success I hope to see "Warfare in the Age of Enlightenment" and "Rifles and Shot" (or some such) to follow soon thereafter. [&o]
DavidI

PS. I will let you know when it's June.[:D]
di

Thanks for the update, sounds like the one to get this year [:D]

Since there is no US civil war scheduled in the near future I am looking for Napoleanic period. This game may be what I am looking for. I like that period, as a change from WWII

Uh oh. We've all been Zapped. [;)]

Hi, Le Tondu I know this thread is your watering hole but suprise! I have played Sid Myers WATERLOO. And the boardgame (of so many years ago) Austerlitz. I do like the napoleanic period. Thanks for the welcome.

Am I right that the Waterloo game by Sid Myers is a Wego system? If thats the case then I will have to give this one a try. The other Napoleonic game being produced might not be a possibility because I can't devote a specific time to sit down at the computer others.

I have not read the threads on this game but maybe Le Tondu, you could give me your first impressions.

Zap, Sid's games were continuous time or some call it realtime. In WEGO games, both sides give orders and then when the turn progression button is pushed, both sides orders are carried out at the same time for a certain period of time. You then progress to the next turn and repeat.

Yeah, "Sid Myers Watterloo" as it is called was put out by Breakaway Games and it is RTS. (Not my cup of tea, btw.)

My first impression of this game ("Black Powder Wars: Battles Of Napoleon ") is pretty good. I just eat up tactical level Napoleonic rule sets. I am a patient man. This game may more "resemble" HPS's Campaign Series of Napoleonic games at first glance. It is being put out by a dedicated fan of the Napoleonic Era. This is not a 3D game like "Combat Mission" or "Les Grognards," which is alright to me. (Personally, I like using my mind's eye in imagining what is happening on the "battlefield."

I expect that it's system requirements will be kind to the older systems that some of us may own. Their desire to add in a Campaign system that will use this tactical level is a very good sign of things to come. I own two of Frank Hunter's ADANAC titles ("1806" & "1805/09") and I was impressed by both of them and I plan to own this one as well once it is released.

Arinvald it spot on about we-go. In my opinion, we-go games are the best and the fairest to both sides.

ORIGINAL: Le Tondu

Yeah, "Sid Myers Watterloo" as it is called was put out by Breakaway Games and it is RTS. (Not my cup of tea, btw.)

My first impression of this game ("Black Powder Wars: Battles Of Napoleon ") is pretty good. I just eat up tactical level Napoleonic rule sets. I am a patient man. This game may more "resemble" HPS's Campaign Series of Napoleonic games at first glance. It is being put out by a dedicated fan of the Napoleonic Era. This is not a 3D game like "Combat Mission" or "Les Grognards," which is alright to me. (Personally, I like using my mind's eye in imagining what is happening on the "battlefield."

I expect that it's system requirements will be kind to the older systems that some of us may own. Their desire to add in a Campaign system that will use this tactical level is a very good sign of things to come. I own two of Frank Hunter's ADANAC titles ("1806" & "1805/09") and I was impressed by both of them and I plan to own this one as well once it is released.

Arinvald it spot on about we-go. In my opinion, we-go games are the best and the fairest to both sides.

I started my wargaming life at the tender age of 11 with Napoleonics initially with 25mm miniatures using Bruce Quarrie's 'Napoleons Campaigns in Miniature'. I still have in storage a 15mm Prussian army (von Bulow's Corp at Waterloo) and a partially painted 6mm British and French army (Vittoria campaign).
As far as boardgames go I still have copies of AH's War and Peace (which I would love to see done on the PC) and one of the limited editions that GDW did of La Bataille de la Moskova, which I ended up having to mount on a wall as I didn't have a table large enough for the map [:D]
The only Napoleonic PC game I ever got was Microprose's Fields of Glory which was more RTS than anything else, shame I can't get it to run on this PC. I am toying with the idea of getting a HPS title at the moment as they seem to be the main ones played over at the Blitz. Does anyone have any suggestions as to which one would be the best to get? I definately need a Napoleonics fix to keep me going until BPW comes out [:D]

We-Go is defiantely the way to go. I play both War in the Pacific and Uncommon Valour which use a We-Go system and they work great and certainly bring back the feel of old board and miniature games.

Believe it or nor, HPS has a new Napoleonic title. It is called "Waterloo" and was released two days. After looking it over, I recommend it during the interim wait for BoN. Here is the link :

http://www.hpssims.com/Pages/products/N ... erloo.html

Waterloo's Historical Scenarios :

Ligny
Quatre Bras
Soleilmont
Waterloo
Wavre
Twin Battles: Ligny & Quatre Bras
Twin Battles: Waterloo & Wavre
Entire Campaign - single scenario

What If Scenarios Covering:

Braine le Comte
Chatelet
Mons
Nivelles
Plancenoit
The Ridge
Togrinne
And others...

61 scenarios are included in the main section with another 109 being created for the campaign specific situations.

Maps:

There is one main map that They created for the campaign, it measures 560 x 400 hexes (that's 224,000 hexes...) and it covers from Charleroi in the South, to Mons in the West, to Gembloux East and finaly to the village of Waterloo, just south of Brussels. Almost three times more ground than was historically covered, to allow many what if situations to be explored. From this many sub-maps have been created, and can be created for future use.

Some New Game Features:

Weather
Disordered defenders now defend at 2/3 strength instead of full strength.
Disordered attackers now attack at 1/3 strength instead of 1/2 strength.
Cavalry charge continuation
Multiple melees on the same unit are now possible, as an optional rule.
Battle termination feature added for those playing a campaign against the AI.
Random scenario selection within the campaign engine.

Some comments on the weather feature:

Beyond the normal use of this feature to replicate the effects of weather on the terrain and combat they also used it for two other things.

1. To gradually decrease visibility as the major battles progressed. This is to simulate the gathering smoke from the various weapons used.

2. To gradually increase and decrease visibility for dawn and dusk, so that it goes from 1 hex, to 2, then to 3 then 4 and vice versa as the time frame changes

Play options:

play by e-mail (PBEM)
on-line single or multi-play
single play against AI
hotseat

Campaign features

losses carryover between battles
fatigue carryover between battles
leader promotion/replacement
straggler return between battles
limited reconstitution of destroyed regiments



I pray that the size of the campaign map is being noted. Hint: the bigger, the better.

So Saberman1966, you've picked a fairly good time to consider this question while waiting for BoN. I stopped playing John Tiller's games because of their combat system. Maybe some stuff has been fixed. It was the HUGE maps that I liked the most about them though.

Sabreman, I would also love to see War and Peace ported tp the PC. I still have a copy as well.

ORIGINAL: Le Tondu

Believe it or nor, HPS has a new Napoleonic title. It is called "Waterloo" and was released two days. After looking it over, I recommend it during the interim wait for BoN.

I had seen that title and have exchanged a couple of messages over at The Blitz with Rich Hamilton as to whether or not it would run on a Windows 2000 PC, as the system requirements, over at the HPS site, don't mention it. All I have to wait for now is the wife to turn her back and sneak the purchase through on the credit card [:D]

ORIGINAL: Arinvald

Sabreman, I would also love to see War and Peace ported tp the PC. I still have a copy as well.

I last played it about seven years ago [:(] That was a PBEM, to resolve the combat we used to meet in a chatroom once a week that had an automatic dice rolling program, that was the easiest way we found of sorting out the combat phase. I still think there is a War & Peace PBEM mailing list somewhere out there.

ORIGINAL: Sabreman1966

I had seen that title and have exchanged a couple of messages over at The Blitz with Rich Hamilton as to whether or not it would run on a Windows 2000 PC, as the system requirements, over at the HPS site, don't mention it. All I have to wait for now is the wife to turn her back and sneak the purchase through on the credit card [:D]

I always thought that Windows XP requirements covered Windows 2000 requirements with no problem.

I too am contemplating the wife's back being turned about. [;)]

If I may add something about "Waterloo," it would be this link:

http://hist-sdc.com/waterloo/cpwdoc.html

I am in no way am supporting "Waterloo" over BoN. (I believe that BoN will be much better.)

I do believe that there are some aspects of "Waterloo" that the developers of BoN should take notice of. Mainly, the HUGE size of their campaign map. (Did I say that enough times in this thread?) [;)]

I support all Napoleonic efforts if :

1.) they aren't Realtime. A true misnomer if there ever was one.

2.) they aren't unhistorical. (ie. Prussian Landwehr should never be able to break down an entire battalion into skirmish order like they do in a certain game that purports to break away.) Historical correctness is a must for me.

Pretty much that is it. Napoleonics all the way, man.
[8D]