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Now that Origins has concluded...

Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2005 1:25 pm
by Sonny
There was talk awhile back from Frag, something vague about the WitP code after Origins. There were questions/guesses as to whether it would be given to the public as open source or someone other than 2BY3 would have custody of the code etc. Frag was rather secretive about it and all we could get out of him was something about "after Origins".

So I was wondering what the status of WitP is at the moment? Matrix? 2BY3? Frag?[&:]


RE: Now that Origins has concluded...

Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2005 1:29 pm
by Speedysteve
Frag secretive?!? Nooo no you must have the wrong person [;)]

RE: Now that Origins has concluded...

Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2005 1:30 pm
by Mr.Frag
Busy ... quit with the rumors until I start them [:'(]

RE: Now that Origins has concluded...

Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2005 1:32 pm
by Speedysteve
See? [:D]

RE: Now that Origins has concluded...

Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2005 2:48 pm
by Mike Wood
Hello...

No code in forseeable future.

Bye...

Michael Wood
ORIGINAL: Sonny
...So I was wondering what the status of WitP is at the moment? Matrix? 2BY3? Frag?[&:]

RE: Now that Origins has concluded...

Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2005 2:50 pm
by Speedysteve
Frag = secretive

Mike = clear as Prince Charles's extra-marital relationships

[;)]

RE: Now that Origins has concluded...

Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2005 4:21 pm
by Terminus
Well, if they pause on the endless code fixes for WitP, perhaps that means they'll FINALLY get to releasing WPO. Wouldn't that be nice?

RE: Now that Origins has concluded...

Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2005 8:39 pm
by Sonny
ORIGINAL: Mike Wood

Hello...

No code in forseeable future.

Bye...

Michael Wood
ORIGINAL: Sonny
...So I was wondering what the status of WitP is at the moment? Matrix? 2BY3? Frag?[&:]

Oh well.[:(]

But thanks for the answer Mike.[&o]

RE: Now that Origins has concluded...

Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2005 9:11 pm
by Joel Billings
I had a discussion with David Heath at Origins (and I think Erik was in on it) about WitP code. The decision was made to keep the code in house for a while longer. For now, Mike is working on WPO and on fixing some WitP bugs. At some point in the future (and I can't say if that's later this year or a year from now), we expect to open it up to a select group of programmers who sign up to work on it. We would not plan on just giving out the code to the world, at least not at that time. We have our doubts about the ability of volunteers to significantly improve the game without causing even more bugs, but we expect to be willing to try it out down the road. We certainly can't give up the revenue that we continue to make on WitP. Based on current sales trends, I'd say we have sold somewhere between 40-70% of what we will eventually sell, so you can see there is still a lot of sales that we expect (and need) from WitP. Opening the source could jeopardize this revenue. Down the road, it is very possible the code will be opened up for all to access, but that'll have to come later.

Just to indicate the ongoing sales potential of WitP, we sold about 15 at Origins. Considering the game was a year old, this is a very high number. SSI games rarely sold more than a few copies at a convention if they had been out for more than a few months.

RE: Now that Origins has concluded...

Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2005 9:14 pm
by Brausepaul
Thanks for the clarification, Joel. Good to hear that WitP is still selling.

RE: Now that Origins has concluded...

Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2005 10:04 pm
by Terminus
I'll second that. The more you guys sell, the better for us...

RE: Now that Origins has concluded...

Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 12:20 pm
by Sonny
ORIGINAL: Joel Billings

I had a discussion with David Heath at Origins (and I think Erik was in on it) about WitP code. The decision was made to keep the code in house for a while longer. For now, Mike is working on WPO and on fixing some WitP bugs. At some point in the future (and I can't say if that's later this year or a year from now), we expect to open it up to a select group of programmers who sign up to work on it. We would not plan on just giving out the code to the world, at least not at that time. We have our doubts about the ability of volunteers to significantly improve the game without causing even more bugs, but we expect to be willing to try it out down the road. We certainly can't give up the revenue that we continue to make on WitP. Based on current sales trends, I'd say we have sold somewhere between 40-70% of what we will eventually sell, so you can see there is still a lot of sales that we expect (and need) from WitP. Opening the source could jeopardize this revenue. Down the road, it is very possible the code will be opened up for all to access, but that'll have to come later.

Just to indicate the ongoing sales potential of WitP, we sold about 15 at Origins. Considering the game was a year old, this is a very high number. SSI games rarely sold more than a few copies at a convention if they had been out for more than a few months.

Thanks for the clarification.

Where is the list to sign up to work on it?

RE: Now that Origins has concluded...

Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 12:26 pm
by Speedysteve
I'd guess it would be a "they come to you list" rather than a "me me me. Pick me!" list [;)]

RE: Now that Origins has concluded...

Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 6:53 pm
by Sonny
ORIGINAL: Speedy

I'd guess it would be a "they come to you list" rather than a "me me me. Pick me!" list [;)]

Well, they did mention volunteers - so I was volunteering.[:)]

RE: Now that Origins has concluded...

Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2005 9:51 am
by michaelm75au
Hi

Well, I am putting up my hand to help fix the Leader bug[:D][:D][:D][8|]

Michael

RE: Now that Origins has concluded...

Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2005 11:12 am
by Speedysteve
Bug? What bug? WiTP has bugs? First i've heard of it [;)]

RE: Now that Origins has concluded...

Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2005 11:24 am
by Terminus
Must be some other WitP. It certainly isn't the one I'M playing! [:D]

RE: Now that Origins has concluded...

Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2005 1:34 pm
by Apollo11
Hi all,
ORIGINAL: Joel Billings

I had a discussion with David Heath at Origins (and I think Erik was in on it) about WitP code. The decision was made to keep the code in house for a while longer. For now, Mike is working on WPO and on fixing some WitP bugs. At some point in the future (and I can't say if that's later this year or a year from now), we expect to open it up to a select group of programmers who sign up to work on it. We would not plan on just giving out the code to the world, at least not at that time. We have our doubts about the ability of volunteers to significantly improve the game without causing even more bugs, but we expect to be willing to try it out down the road. We certainly can't give up the revenue that we continue to make on WitP. Based on current sales trends, I'd say we have sold somewhere between 40-70% of what we will eventually sell, so you can see there is still a lot of sales that we expect (and need) from WitP. Opening the source could jeopardize this revenue. Down the road, it is very possible the code will be opened up for all to access, but that'll have to come later.

Just to indicate the ongoing sales potential of WitP, we sold about 15 at Origins. Considering the game was a year old, this is a very high number. SSI games rarely sold more than a few copies at a convention if they had been out for more than a few months.

Thanks for info Joel!

BTW, in light of your statement "I'd say we have sold somewhere between 40-70% of what we will eventually sell" and comparing that to what you said before "around 10000 copies sold at best" I guestimate that there have been 4000-7000 WitP copies sold - IMHO this is _VERY_ good news indeed (and I sincerely hope you will meat your goal)!!!


Leo "Apollo11"

RE: Now that Origins has concluded...

Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2005 11:49 pm
by Peter Fisla
I will be happy to do some further development/fixing bugs on WitP in the future :)

RE: Now that Origins has concluded...

Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2005 5:33 am
by Joel Billings
Did I say 10k at best? I thought I said between 5-15k units sold. Check back with me in a few years and I'll let you know how it came out, but in any case I'd hire you to do my econometric forecasting (econometrics was my favorite class in college).