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Repeatedly I've seen nations I want as my protectorates all of a sudden change from loving my nation with a full circle then switching to someone else.

Last night, I had Saxony showing 452 points in my favor while my nearest competitor was showing a negative 323. Then, a Russian army sits there, and a diplomat flies over my country and the very next turn, Saxony, and it's army of some 15 cav divs and 5 inf divs are all Russian. Russia was showing -635.

I've looked for options that will cause a prospective protectorate change like that. But there doesn't seem a fast option for a human player.

I know the Ivans didn't subsidize them, because they only had a few hundred bucks after a war with me.

Please explain...and thanks in advance

Your ass was couped, bro. Nesselrode fo shizzle!

Dont you hate coups....... I just had Barvaria go Swede on me, I was +11,987, they were -689.... it had cost me over 25,000 in subsidies and a charm offensive! Grrrrr... I should have sent in the troops years ago! Damn the diplomacy, full steam ahead!

But when I pulled a coup on Saxony in a previous game, her army disappeared. Hell, that was the only reason I didn't take her in battle...cause of the corps, and all that wonderful cav they've got.