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A long while ago now there was a list of planes that were going to featurei n WPO. After scanning through the forum and faq i dont seem to be abel to find them..

anyw one have a list ?

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Paul

I suppose there is no harm:

For Japan:

Fighters:
Sopwith Pup (2 versions)
Sopwith Sparrowhawk (2 versions)
Mitsubishi 1MF-1, 2, 3, 3A, 4, and 5
Nakajima A1N1

Recce:
Mitsubishi C1M
Heinkel HD25
Aichi AB2 Type 2
Kawasaki KDA-2

Bomber:
Mitsubishi B1M-1 and -2
Avro 504L and K

Flying boat:
Felixstowe F.2

US Navy:

Carrier Fighters:
Vought VE-7SF
Curtiss F6C-1 Hawk
Boeing FB-1
Vought FU-1 (2 versions, wheel and float)
Curtiss F6C-4 Hawk
Boeing FB-5
Boeing F4B-1

Bombers and Carrier Recce
Martin SC-1 (wheeled)
Martin SC-2 (float)
Martin T3M
Martin T4M
Vought VE-9 (2 versions)
Vought UO-1 (2 versions)
Vought O2U Corsair (2 versions)

Submarine Launched:
Martin MS-1

Flying Boat
Curtiss H-16
Curtiss F5L

US Army Air Corps:
Fighters and recce:
de Havilland DH-4 fighter, DH-4 Bomber, DH-4B, DH-4M recce planes
Cutriss P-1A, B, C Hawks
Boeing PW9 A and C
Curtiss P-3 Hawk
Boeing P-12

Bombers/Attack planes
Curtiss A-3 Falcon
Martin NBS-1

Royal Navy/Air Force.
Fighters:
Sopwith 2F1 Camel (2 versions)
Gloster Grebe Mk I
Airco DH-4
Sopwtih 7F1 Snipe
Gloster Grebe Mk II
Gloster Gamecock Mks I and II
Armstrong Siskin

Bombers:
Sopwith Cuckoo
de Havilland DH-9A
Bristol F2b Brisfit
RAF R.E.8

Recce:
Fairey IIIC
Fairey IIID (2 Versions)

Flying Boat:
Felixstowe F.2A
Felixstowe F.5

The Netherlands:
Fairey III (used on Java class cruisers)

All told, 73 different aircraft. Plus, the British air art is included with the Japanese art, in case players or we wish to make War Plan Red scenarios.

I see a number of carrier planes for the Americans, since the Saratogas will be battle cruisers, that leaves Langley as the only American carrier doesn't it? Or will there be other carriers in the game? Also for the Japanese that would similarly leave Hosho wouldn't it?

edit: Also, will there be any sea plane tenders or were sea plane tenders a later development in naval warfare?

[&:]

Gary

I won't step on Tanker's toes by telling you that there will be others, for all parties...

ORIGINAL: Terminus

I won't step on Tanker's toes by telling you that there will be others, for all parties...

Fantastic! I already feel a mod coming on: "Carrier War: 1924"!

[:)]

Gary

The US get the Langley, and 2 converted merchies (hypothetical).
Japan gets 2 Hoshos (one of which was actually built, but scrapped before completion) plus 2 additonal hypothetical Hoshos.
Britain gets Furious and Argus, plus Vindictive which is recoverted to a scout cruiser in 1924.

In addition, the US has the seaplane carrier Aroostock (which also doubles as a minelayer!) and the Japanese the Wakiyama.

ORIGINAL: Tankerace

The US get the Langley, and 2 converted merchies (hypothetical).
Japan gets 2 Hoshos (one of which was actually built, but scrapped before completion) plus 2 additonal hypothetical Hoshos.
Britain gets Furious and Argus, plus Vindictive which is recoverted to a scout cruiser in 1924.

In addition, the US has the seaplane carrier Aroostock (which also doubles as a minelayer!) and the Japanese the Wakiyama.

I'm sure it's too late but it would have been neat to include "convert to CV" as an option for merchantmen along with the ability to convert them into tenders and such. BTW, will the option to convert ships into tenders still be available at San Fran and Osaka in WPO?

[:)]

Gary

I'm sure it's too late but it would have been neat to include "convert to CV" as an option for merchantmen along with the ability to convert them into tenders and such. BTW, will the option to convert ships into tenders still be available at San Fran and Osaka in WPO?

As near as I remember without looking those options are still there, plus two more to convert merchantmen to two types of Q-ship. I'm investing heavily in those.

I'd like to answer, but this should probably be done by Tanker...

Okay, since Belphegor has now attracted Tanker's wrath onto himself, I'll answer. The tender conversions ARE there.

Its a little different in WPO. You can convert to Supply Ships (AE), Destroyer Tender (AD), Submarine Tender (AS), and Repair Ship (AR).

In addition, you can covert to Q Ships (AK), and Commerce Raider/Auxilliary Cruisers (CLs). The screen says Q Ship ML, as these also fulfill that role too.

I toyed with carrier conversions, but I decided I wanted to keep the focus on battleship warfare, instead of letting pople build a hundred caarriers (with no planes to equip them).

Hehehe, no wrath. Jeez guys, I'm not THAT bad [:D]

ORIGINAL: Tankerace

Hehehe, no wrath. Jeez guys, I'm not THAT bad [:D]

Please don't hurt us, Master! We meant no harm!

Okay, since Belphegor has now attracted Tanker's wrath onto himself

You won't believe what he said to me. I've never heard such language.

ORIGINAL: Tankerace

Its a little different in WPO. You can convert to Supply Ships (AE), Destroyer Tender (AD), Submarine Tender (AS), and Repair Ship (AR).

In addition, you can covert to Q Ships (AK), and Commerce Raider/Auxilliary Cruisers (CLs). The screen says Q Ship ML, as these also fulfill that role too.

I toyed with carrier conversions, but I decided I wanted to keep the focus on battleship warfare, instead of letting pople build a hundred caarriers (with no planes to equip them).

Understood. I'm not worried. I've already got some cool ideas for a mod on early carrier warfare.

But...it would be kind of cool if there were a production system or an economic side in WitP/WPO whereby one could choose how many merchantmen to build and what class, how many battleships, what class, how many cruisers, how many air groups, how many LCUs and so on. Of course I understand that would involve completely reinventing the game. However I can't help but dream.

Perhaps a WitP 2 could have such an economic system. I think it would be cool to blend the realism of WitP with the gaminess of a typical TBS game with a fully fleshed out production system and an economy to back it up, whereby one had complete control over what to build and how many. I know that's not what WPO is about but I'm a die hard UV/WitP fan and I just hate to see a good thing like it put out into the pasture when there is so much potential still there for it.

[:)]

Gary

ORIGINAL: Gary Childress

ORIGINAL: Tankerace

Its a little different in WPO. You can convert to Supply Ships (AE), Destroyer Tender (AD), Submarine Tender (AS), and Repair Ship (AR).

In addition, you can covert to Q Ships (AK), and Commerce Raider/Auxilliary Cruisers (CLs). The screen says Q Ship ML, as these also fulfill that role too.

I toyed with carrier conversions, but I decided I wanted to keep the focus on battleship warfare, instead of letting pople build a hundred caarriers (with no planes to equip them).

Understood. I'm not worried. I've already got some cool ideas for a mod on early carrier warfare.

But...it would be kind of cool if there were a production system or an economic side in WitP/WPO whereby one could choose how many merchantmen to build and what class, how many battleships, what class, how many cruisers, how many air groups, how many LCUs and so on. Of course I understand that would involve completely reinventing the game. However I can't help but dream.

Perhaps a WitP 2 could have such an economic system. I think it would be cool to blend the realism of WitP with the gaminess of a typical TBS game with a fully fleshed out production system and an economy to back it up, whereby one had complete control over what to build and how many. I know that's not what WPO is about but I'm a die hard UV/WitP fan and I just hate to see a good thing like it put out into the pasture when there is so much potential still there for it.

[:)]

Gary

I agree sounds great...for WITP 2.

Tanker another plane to consider for the japanese is the Nieuport_delage NiD.29.C2
It seems the french exported 609 of tyhem to Japan in the 20's. Well, at least the refenence i have says that. It started service in 1922 and remained in service till 1928..

appearing in those sorts of numbers it may rate a look.
Ist a one seater fighter and was licence built as the Nakajima Ko 4

cheers
paul

Van Berkel WB
Six licence-built versions of Hansa Brandenburg W.29 to NEI, October 1920, in recce floatplane role. Serialled E-1 to E-6. Used 1920 to 1933.
[See Air Britain Digest Summer 1995 for Van Berkel history]

Six Douglas Torpedo (DT-2) aircraft of Torpedo Squadron 20 were ferried out to Cavite aboard the USS Vega (AK-17) and arrived in Cavite in mid- February 1924 after a 40-day passage from San Diego, California.[a] They were the backbone and sinew of Aircraft Squadrons, Asiatic.

http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/USN/ACTC/actc-3.html
(a) Navy Directory, 1924; (b) Greer; (c) DANFS, I, p. 17.

True. However, I chose not ot model this squadron, because if you read further:

"Everything in supporting resources for the Squadron over the next few years was in the nature of an improvisation. "Aircraft Squadrons Asiatic exists solely to provide a groundwork to be built upon" was the way Admiral "

and

"The hand-to-mouth existence of the Navy in the lean-national defense days of the Coolidge Administration is illustrated by a quote from Commander Turner's official report. The new torpedo planes, he noted, "were received without any spare parts whatsoever." These T3M-2s were one engine tractor biplanes with twin floats, built by Martin in 1926-27. "Spares did not begin to arrive until March" 1928.[35] Not only was the supply end of logistics spotty, but adequate personnel were lacking. Only five aviators, including Commander Aircraft Squadrons, and 33 enlisted men were assigned to the squadron. "

So, logistically and combat wise, this squadron couldn't have contributed anything, and in the WitP engine couldn't be modeled effectively. Within the engine, it would be treated as a combat ready squadron, that could draw the planes it needed, and pilots it needed, and attack effectively. So, while I would like to put it in, game wise it would be too ahistorical.

I also chose not to model the DT-2 (or the more numerous DT-1) because in the 1920's there were so many variations of aircraft used, I could have filled up all the aircraft slots with just US Aircraft. For all squadrons in the Pacific at the time (sans VT-20, which was nothing more than a paper squadron), the Martin SC-1, SC-2, T3M and T4M would work just as well. There were 91 DTs built (including 38 DT-2s), but their were well over 300 Martin Torpedo planes. This was one of things I decided to do from a scenario standpoint, rather than an era standpoint.

I may add these and more planes in the future (I probably will), but right now WPO is (from our standpoint) done, and now we are trying to get Matrix to do its thing to get it out to you guys. FOr everything I add now, more time will need ot be spent in testing, and the longer it will take to get out to you guys.

ORIGINAL: Tankerace

So, while I would like to put it in, game wise it would be too ahistorical.

Don't you have quite a few "hypothetical" ships in WPO? Aren't these also "ahistorical"? [&:]