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Paul,

Here it is, the proof! We've been demanding that you allow more infantry to ride on a tank; but you've refused. You cite lame excuses like "they didn't do that in real life".

Well, here's the proof that they did <img src="eek.gif" border="0">

. These Northern Alliance troopies in Afghanistan (I count 21 on the front half alone) show that it can be done!

Now Paul, modify the OOB's to allow at least 40 men (and a donkey or two) to ride on each tank.

Tommy <img src="wink.gif" border="0">

But this was on the "E" model of the tank that had .0005 less slope and 15 cubic inches more space due to repositioning of the radio and aux scope. Production numbers for the "E" model are unclear but it seems to equate the "K" model that is in the Bulgarian OOB. I will fight any attempt to cram another model in instead of adding the donkey mounted triple tube AA that clearly was produced in at least 4 versions (including the advanced model where its ears were tied back to keep them out of the way).

I'd be spinning that turret in circles as fast as it would go!!

Let's also not forget that those guys were not under fire!

Picture an RPG, or a M-60, or even a molotov hitting one of those vehicles. You'd lose the vehicle, and 2 squads.

So, in SP terms, sure, let you mount 40 guys on a tank - if they all become casualties when it brews up! In fact, one could say that the only glaring weakness in the SP passenger system is that passendgers don't lose enough men when the vehicle explodes.

Alex

Originally posted by Alexandra:

So, in SP terms, sure, let you mount 40 guys on a tank - if they all become casualties when it brews up!
Alex

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Larry,

Alex didn't mention any donkey casualties. Do you think he knows about the 5th version of the of the triple tube AA donkey,; the one with the Nomex/Kevlar blend pajama's? <img src="biggrin.gif" border="0">

Tommy

[ November 14, 2001: Message edited by: Cona ]</p>

Alex ... all you have to do to reduce casulaties in a 40 person carry mode on the E version is to have the turret angled 7 degrees to the right... and if you open all the hatches at exactly 37 degrees ( the E model has inclinometers on each hatch for this purpose ) donkey casulaties will be reduced 47.9 % ... if the troops are wearing Mk VII kelvar turbans casulities should be almost nil ...
btw if you check the Mk V donkey mounted triple AAA gun has no ECM or smoke dischargers and is very vunerable in an air attack ...so the Northren Allinace has only been using them in a rear area support role and you are unlikely to see them in actual combat

Originally posted by AmmoSgt:
Alex ... all you have to do to reduce casulaties ...t

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AmmoSgt, are you having fun at Alexandra's expense? I am shocked that someone would mock the details that some go into in OOB development, its the heart of the technical accuracy of the game. Oh wait, I made a such a post. I must now go calculate the added benefit of the MKII dark paint on US tanks. It seems that when the sun warms it, its coefficient of friction increases and APCR-XYZ rounds richocet at 0.00589% greater probability.

You guys (and gals) crack me up <img src="biggrin.gif" border="0">

.....And of course the mandatory Fran Tarkenton disclamer: "Kids, never try this at home."

Perhaps the crew was silly enough to have tried the British trick of frying eggs on the mudguard and before you knew it there was company. That's probably a field kitchen tank, or would be after the frying <img src="wink.gif" border="0"> . I'll bet you'll spot a few chickens in that picture.

[ November 14, 2001: Message edited by: Charles_22 ]</p>

Actually if we can load some of those tanks down with strap-on phone booths and a few VW's,i think we might cram on another hundred or so...watcha' think professer???? <img src="biggrin.gif" border="0">

Those guys on the tank (with mule) had better watch out for the Tally bands 40mm camel mounted ATGs...they are lethal...and I hear that camels are deadly to mules....have you ever smelled a camels breath, now that's cb warfare.... <img src="rolleyes.gif" border="0"> <img src="biggrin.gif" border="0"> <img src="wink.gif" border="0"> <img src="cool.gif" border="0">

Paul needs to modify the armor rating of tanks carrying more then 10 troops, although it might not help to much, like strapped on tracks, against AP, HEAT rounds it should dramatically help absorb HE.

Just how many people can you get into a VW Bug?????
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Hey can't you get five more it they ride the cannon barrel. Don't even talk about the one riding the MG barrel. <img src="biggrin.gif" border="0"> <img src="biggrin.gif" border="0"> <img src="biggrin.gif" border="0">

I hate to inject a serious note here, but while designing Redleg discovered that if you cut the number of men in the squad, you can overload almost anything. Once they're loaded, reset to the original squad size. Of course, after they dismount you'll never get them all on again. <img src="biggrin.gif" border="0">

Those aren't riders---they're 'spaced armor'! <img src="biggrin.gif" border="0">

The notion that the Northern Alliance would carry that many men into battle on its tanks is utterly preposterous. The added weight of these boisterous hitchhikers would cut the top pushing speed of the team of new recruits behind by an entire 5 feet per hour.

Such a compromise of battlefield mobility is something no good commander would ever even consider.

Matt

[ November 15, 2001: Message edited by: Khan7 ]</p>

By the way, Alex, you are wrong: these guys were under fire, probably even under heavy fire - of a camera ot two <img src="biggrin.gif" border="0">

I think none of you guys considered the protective effect of M251 depleted uranium beards when dealing with 40 mm camel ATGs. And may I remind you that Mk V AAA donkeys are now supplied w/ laser range finders that enhance greatly their effectiveness against low flying crows <img src="biggrin.gif" border="0">

!!! THIS JUST IN !!!

Spy photo of Taliban AAA Donkey Model II. This earlier version lacks the ear tie down modification found on later models (note scorch marks).