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OT Beer History do not bring in idiot politics into this thread
Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2005 12:51 am
by madmickey
EARLIEST KNOWN CHEMICAL EVIDENCE OF BEER
circa 3500-3100 B.C.
NOVEMBER, 1992--Researchers in the Museum Applied Science Center for Archaeology (MASCA) at The University Museum of Archaeology and Anthropology, University of Pennsylvania, analyzed an organic residue from inside a pottery vessel dated circa 3500-3100 B.C. from the site of Godin Tepe in the Zagros Mountains of western Iran. Their findings provide the earliest known chemical evidence of beer in the world. Archaeological chemist Dr. Patrick E. McGovern and organic chemist Dr. Rudolph H. Michel carried out a chemical Feigl spot test on a pale yellowish residue that filled grooves within an ancient jug; the tests were positive for oxalate ion. The Feigl spot test is a standard chemical technique, though previously unemployed for this purpose. Calcium oxalate (the calcium salt from the oxalate ion) is a major component of "beerstone" and settles out on the surfaces of fermentation and storage tanks of barley beer, as the researchers believe occurred with the ancient residue.
http://www.museum.upenn.edu/new/researc ... beer.shtml
RE: OT Beer History do not bring in idiot politics into this thread
Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2005 1:55 am
by Twotribes
I imagine beer is as old as mans ability to ferment.
RE: OT Beer History do not bring in idiot politics into this thread
Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2005 2:04 am
by GaryChildress
ORIGINAL: Twotribes
I imagine beer is as old as mans ability to ferment.
[:D]
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Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2005 4:13 am
by Mike Scholl
ORIGINAL: madmickey
EARLIEST KNOWN CHEMICAL EVIDENCE OF BEER
circa 3500-3100 B.C.
NOVEMBER, 1992--Researchers in the Museum Applied Science Center for Archaeology (MASCA) at The University Museum of Archaeology and Anthropology, University of Pennsylvania, analyzed an organic residue from inside a pottery vessel dated circa 3500-3100 B.C. from the site of Godin Tepe in the Zagros Mountains of western Iran. Their findings provide the earliest known chemical evidence of beer in the world. Archaeological chemist Dr. Patrick E. McGovern and organic chemist Dr. Rudolph H. Michel carried out a chemical Feigl spot test on a pale yellowish residue that filled grooves within an ancient jug; the tests were positive for oxalate ion. The Feigl spot test is a standard chemical technique, though previously unemployed for this purpose. Calcium oxalate (the calcium salt from the oxalate ion) is a major component of "beerstone" and settles out on the surfaces of fermentation and storage tanks of barley beer, as the researchers believe occurred with the ancient residue.
http://www.museum.upenn.edu/new/researc ... beer.shtml
Proving that Man has always had his priorities straight. First BEER...., then we'll mess around with this wheel and civilization stuff.
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Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2005 6:31 am
by ChezDaJez
EARLIEST KNOWN CHEMICAL EVIDENCE OF BEER
Hmmm, I wonder what type it was... a nice pilsner, ale, stout, hmmmm...
Chez
RE: OT Beer History do not bring in idiot politics into this thread
Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2005 7:07 am
by DuckofTindalos
The Ancient Egyptians drank a lot of beer too... Not as far back as this Iranian thing (which I didn't know about, thanks mm), but still several centuries BC.
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Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2005 9:26 am
by Mattremote
Neat! There are written (well, carved) references to beer from about the same period or even a bit earlier. One is an ode to the Sumerian goddess of brewing, and the other is in the Gilgamesh story. Some anthropologists think that brewing was one of the motivations for organizing into cities and starting down the road to civilization!
RE: OT Beer History do not bring in idiot politics into this thread
Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2005 9:29 am
by DuckofTindalos
Was there ever any doubt?[;)]
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Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2005 11:06 am
by patrickl
Hi, the only beer I drink is root beer[:'(]. Just can't stand the bitter taste- blame it on my sweet tooth.[:D]
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Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2005 11:33 am
by Speedysteve
ORIGINAL: Mike Scholl
Proving that Man has always had his priorities straight. First BEER...., then we'll mess around with this wheel and civilization stuff.
LOL Mike [:D]
Funny this should come up now. When I did my degree (in Archaeology) there was a conversation once down the SU bar about what evidence has been found for the earliest beer consumption. We never did get around to agreeing on an answer for that one [:D]
Steven
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Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2005 11:41 am
by fabertong
Aren't there any other wine drinkers on this forum.....or is it beer or nothing else.......
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Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2005 11:44 am
by Speedysteve
I drink both. Sometimes on the same night [;)]
I really like Wine Faber. Red wine for me. A fine Shiraz, Merlot or Rioja for me.
If i'm out with mates though it generally starts with Beer in the pub and then maybe Wine in a restaurant.
Steven
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Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2005 11:47 am
by fabertong
That looks a sound plan, Steven. Maybe I'll adopt it tonight......some Leffe Blond in the pub followed by ......well wine!
Though they do say "never mix the grape and the grain".
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Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2005 12:21 pm
by Speedysteve
Leffe is strong stuff bud.
Pah. Not all old fables are correct. Grape and grain is fine with me [;)]
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Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2005 12:26 pm
by fabertong
I'll go carefully........
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Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2005 1:58 pm
by Lord_Calidor
ORIGINAL: madmickey
EARLIEST KNOWN CHEMICAL EVIDENCE OF BEER
circa 3500-3100 B.C.
NOVEMBER, 1992--Researchers in the Museum Applied Science Center for Archaeology (MASCA) at The University Museum of Archaeology and Anthropology, University of Pennsylvania, analyzed an organic residue from inside a pottery vessel dated circa 3500-3100 B.C. from the site of Godin Tepe in the Zagros Mountains of western Iran. Their findings provide the earliest known chemical
[X(]
Damn, that was the time Croats and some of the related Slavic people lived there, just before migrating north, then southwest.
You certainly can't tell that by the dubious quality of our brews nowadays... [8|]
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Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2005 2:11 pm
by Speedysteve
Agreed [;)]
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Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2005 3:10 pm
by Mark VII
I'm in with Patrick, most beer is just nasty to my taste buds. It also gave me hangovers you would not believe.
I am currently drinking Maker's Mark. A bourbon made in Kentucky. I like it straight, with ice, or with seven-up and ice. If Maker's is not available, other bourbons or wiskey will do for the short term. Hard liquor never gave me hang overs like beer and wine do.[8D]
ORIGINAL: patrickl
Hi, the only beer I drink is root beer[:'(]. Just can't stand the bitter taste- blame it on my sweet tooth.[:D]
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Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2005 3:22 pm
by tsimmonds
ORIGINAL: fabertong
Aren't there any other wine drinkers on this forum.....or is it beer or nothing else.......
I love wine. I have some every day, whether I need it or not.[:)]
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Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2005 3:31 pm
by LargeSlowTarget
ORIGINAL: Mike Scholl
Proving that Man has always had his priorities straight. First BEER...., then we'll mess around with this wheel and civilization stuff.
Actually, first priority was a WOMAN. Maybe Adam should have traded
two ribs for BEER instead of one rib for Evil - er, I mean Eve. Never trust a cheap bargain... [:D] [;)]