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Men of the Yamato Review

Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 9:50 am
by BossGnome
I went and saw the japanese film "Men of the Yamato" (男たちの大和)in OV, and let me tell you, it wasn't bad at all.

WARNING: Spoilers and plot endings follow. This should not dim your enjoyment of the movie should you decide to see it, but I just thought you should know.

First, when I got into the cinema room, I was a little surprised, about 90% of the audience was over 50! Unlike the large grossing american war movies who appeal mostly to the younger audience, this film (despite the best efforts of the director to make it more appealing to the younger crowd), like all japanese war movies before it (few as they are), still caters more to an older audience.

Now, one must know that this is a special movie in that it is the biggest budget japanese film of all time. I didn't have high expectations for the film, expecting it to not be much more than crying over the dead japanese soldiers and trying to justify the japanese point of view in world war two, and subsequently the yasukuni visits, the disputes with the chinese, etc etc. Well, let me tell you it was a lot better than this.

The opening scenes are a little long; they start well, with a narrator telling you when the wreck yamato was found (sometimes in the 1980s), and then showing us very nice footage of the wreck etc. It then shifts to a museum, in the present, and a young woman (who we learn later is the daughter of one of the secondary characters who dies on the yamato)is searching for someone to take her to the place where the yamato sunk. She ends up finding one, an old fisherman, who we learn was an anti-air gunner on the yamato. This old man becomes the main character, and it is mostly through his memories that we see the story unfold. The movie returns several times to the present, but I really found it did little in the way of helping the story along. It breaks the pace of the flick, adds a good 20 minutes to an already very long (almost 3 hours) movie, and mostly just serves to remind us of "why" we should take an interest in these things, because real people did die, because it isn't all just a pretty story for our enjoyment, etc etc. Maybe this was necessary for japanese audiences, but for me, a canadian who does the remembrance day parade every year, it was just added, mostly uninteresting, and most of all LONG fluff.

The real story begins in 1942, just a few months after japanese declared war on America. A young 15 year old fisherman boy from the region of Hiroshima rushes home to happily tell his family(sister and grandmother, father is off to the war) that he is joining the navy, and going as a deckhand on the yamato. The focus then shifts on the newly built Yamato and on the new crew of deckhands that have been selected to man it, all mostly 15 and 16 years old. For 20 or so minutes the movie escorts us around the ship, and shows us the daily life of a sailor on the Yamato (cooking, drilling, judo and kendo training, the bunks, etc etc). This was an extremely enjoyable part of the movie, as we also got to know a few of the secondary characters (there are a lot!) better.

The first battle in which the Yamato took part, midway, is done entirely through historical footage and narration. The pace then accelerates, going through the whole of 1943 in a few minutes, with other historical footage and narration of the death of admiral Yamamto, and a strategic map showing the japanese retreat from the islands of the pacific. The battle of the marianas is pretty much entirely skipped over, even though the yamato took part in it. We then find a few of the deck hands on permission back home, in 1944. The situation at the fisherman home in Hiroshima is deteriorating. The boy's father has since died, and the grandmother and daughter are having problems making ends meet. From there, the boys are told they will be going to fight at leyte.

The battle of leyte is adequately done, and lasts about 7-8 minutes. It shows aircraft swooping down on the yamato, anti air batteries and their gunners frantically unloading round after round into the sky, medics and firemen piling chaotically on the deck... all in all very bloody. Coming back from the battle, the situation in japan is deteriorating even further. From then on the movie is unbelievably sad. The upon returning home, the boy goes praying at the family altar. The sister then comes in crying. We learn that the grandmother has died protecting her during an air raid. She is now going to work in a factory in Hiroshima city.

Okinawa, the main battle of the movie, is very very well done, and preceded by a lot of interesting dialogue between the characters. About 20 minutes long (a tad too long in my opinion), it was one of the hardest battles to watch, mostly because you know they will lose in the end. When compared to an american film in which, through courage, discipline and hard work the GIs overcome, it was hard to watch all this courage and hard work NOT pay off, because they just didn't have the equipment to do it!

The boy ends up surviving (this we know since he is the old man recounting the story), to go home to hiroshima. Ah, thank god, even though we cried a lot, saw ALL of the secondary characters (without exeption) die horribly, the boy survives and will be able to go home to his sister to live a somewhat normal life. Does it end like this? No... this was one of the most shocking parts of the movie for me. Upon coming back home, he finds that an atomic bomb exploded in hiroshima, and his sister is slowly dying of radiation..and ends up dying under his very eyes. my god this was hard to watch. It has really been a long time since any war movie made me cry this much.

Overall:

Soundtrack: The music is exellent, exept for the last song "close your eyes", which is a piece of shit so total it actually hurt my ears listening to it. The japanese singer (named Yamato by the way)'s english pronounication of close your eyes sounds like "crowse your rise" and i couldn't figure out what he was saying until I saw the song title written in the credits. (AAHH!! cLose your eyes!) 8/10

Cinematography: Very good, but the "present" scenes are just a little bland and feel unrefined when compared with the "past" scenes... a little more look at the other ships would have been nice. Most of the shots seem directed TOWARDS the yamato, and very little "from it"... this left me sometimes wondering about the airplanes circling over and around it. A few of the larger CG shots didn't look 100% convincing, but the battles scenes are amazingly intense and bloody, reminiscent of the first 20 minutes of "saving private ryan". 8/10

Script: Amazing. Made me cry in a few places it was so dramatic. Just a little long at points, seems like they could have cut out a good 15-20 minutes (mostly the present scenes) out of the film without hurting it too much. 9/10

Actors: Not the best part of the film. The main actor is good, but some of the secondaries leave just a little to be desired. still, an adequate, if not outstanding, performance. 8/10
Final Opinion: Great film. If you have any interest in another point of view on the war, see this. You won't find much "self-justification" in it, there is only 1 scene about 5 minutes long in this entire movie that i could qualify of "a-historical justification", the rest is caters very very strictly to historical justifications. That is, only 5 minutes of a 3 hour movie... not bad. It has been a long time since a war movie made me cry this much, I usually don't cry at movies. Extremely moving. Defintely a must see, but don't see it without subtitles unless you speak good japanese. the characters mostly come from hiroshima and the surrounding area, and therefore speak a dialect different from the standard "tokyo" japanese, which sometimes made it hard for me to understand what they were saying... need more study!

final: 8.5/10 Go see it. Its long, but it's definitely worth it. Just DON'T listen to the generic music at the end. (crooooowwsse your rrrrriiiiiissssseee[:@])

RE: Men of the Yamato Review

Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 2:51 pm
by Apollo11
Hi all,

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RE: Men of the Yamato Review

Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 3:36 pm
by Brady

Interesting this was in the theater?, I havent sean it hear in the states, though I havent looked, I will read the local papper and see what comes, or try net flicks, see if I can get it their...

RE: Men of the Yamato Review

Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 6:13 pm
by Ron Saueracker
This sounds frigging amazing!.

RE: Men of the Yamato Review

Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 10:13 pm
by Alikchi2
Yeah, sounds awesome!

This the movie that used the partial full-scale Yamato model, correct?

RE: Men of the Yamato Review

Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 10:13 pm
by Nikademus
hopefully available on DVD sometime soon.

RE: Men of the Yamato Review

Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 10:53 pm
by Mynok

Where we can hear multiple extended versions of Crowse yer Rise.

RE: Men of the Yamato Review

Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 11:21 pm
by String
ORIGINAL: Mynok


Where we can hear multiple extended versions of Crowse yer Rise.


On the movie trailers for example.. it indeed was horrible

RE: Men of the Yamato Review

Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 11:34 pm
by pasternakski
ORIGINAL: Nikademus

hopefully available on DVD sometime soon.
I dunno. Kinda makes me want to go watch "The Magnificent Seven" again.

It was built, it floated around for awhile, and it sank without accomplishing anything. Why make a movie about it?

RE: Men of the Yamato Review

Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 11:49 pm
by Bobthehatchit
ORIGINAL: pasternakski

ORIGINAL: Nikademus

hopefully available on DVD sometime soon.
I dunno. Kinda makes me want to go watch "The Magnificent Seven" again.

It was built, it floated around for awhile, and it sank without accomplishing anything. Why make a movie about it?

Considering most of the crap coming out of the film industry at the moment, any semi historical/accurate war film is better than no war film.

RE: Men of the Yamato Review

Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 12:01 am
by Skyros
Sounds like Titannic with all this crying going on.[8D]
ORIGINAL: pasternakski

ORIGINAL: Nikademus

hopefully available on DVD sometime soon.
I dunno. Kinda makes me want to go watch "The Magnificent Seven" again.

It was built, it floated around for awhile, and it sank without accomplishing anything. Why make a movie about it?

RE: Men of the Yamato Review

Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 12:41 am
by pasternakski
ORIGINAL: Skyros

Sounds like Titannic with all this crying going on.
Yeah, you know?

I was trying to hustle some action with a sweet young thing about the time "Titanic" came out, and she insisted on going to see it.

What a bomb. I stayed in my seat all the way through, though, hoping that the evening of pain would earn me some midnight gain, if you know what I mean. I was rewarded at the end when the hunk of ship Leonardo "look at me I'm cute" de Caprio and Kate "look at me I'm plain" Winslet were on took the fatal plunge. I fantasized that it wasn't pretend and these two non-actors were really croaking off.

I was careful not to tell g/f why I enjoyed the end of the movie so much.

No such drama on the S.S. Clamato.

RE: Men of the Yamato Review

Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 12:47 am
by aletoledo
It was built, it floated around for awhile, and it sank without accomplishing anything. Why make a movie about it?
kind of like the Alamo if you think about it. a stink hole of a place, with no strategic significance and a bunch of guys died there without accomplishing much....

...well except capturing the national imagination and pride. I suppose the same might be said for the largest japanese battleship in japanese eyes. they did their duty to the end.

RE: Men of the Yamato Review

Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 2:46 am
by Treetop64
ORIGINAL: pasternakski


It was built, it floated around for awhile, and it sank without accomplishing anything. Why make a movie about it?


Yeah...

...but the Yamato looked cool, and that's what really matters, right?! I mean, look at that conning tower; it looks like MechaGodzilla, or somthing from those old Japanese monster flicks!

I would have loved to see the Kii built, completely useless though they may have ultimately been.

RE: Men of the Yamato Review

Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 4:03 am
by Rob322
ORIGINAL: pasternakski

ORIGINAL: Skyros

Sounds like Titannic with all this crying going on.
Yeah, you know?

I was trying to hustle some action with a sweet young thing about the time "Titanic" came out, and she insisted on going to see it.

What a bomb. I stayed in my seat all the way through, though, hoping that the evening of pain would earn me some midnight gain, if you know what I mean. I was rewarded at the end when the hunk of ship Leonardo "look at me I'm cute" de Caprio and Kate "look at me I'm plain" Winslet were on took the fatal plunge. I fantasized that it wasn't pretend and these two non-actors were really croaking off.

I was careful not to tell g/f why I enjoyed the end of the movie so much.

No such drama on the S.S. Clamato.

Yeah but you left us hanging on the main plot point ... how'd it go with the girl? [8D]

RE: Men of the Yamato Review

Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 5:18 am
by Nikademus
ORIGINAL: pasternakski



I dunno. Kinda makes me want to go watch "The Magnificent Seven" again.

It was built, it floated around for awhile, and it sank without accomplishing anything. Why make a movie about it?

because a few grainy pictures of these beauties doesn't do them justice.

RE: Men of the Yamato Review

Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 5:49 am
by pasternakski
ORIGINAL: Rob322
Yeah but you left us hanging on the main plot point ... how'd it go with the girl? [8D]
It's been a lovely evening. Please don't spoil it.

RE: Men of the Yamato Review

Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 6:01 am
by BossGnome
actually i think aletoledo really hit it on the head. The yamato didn't DO anything, sure, but it looked cool, and it was just so...big! You know that in the 80s science fiction author Leiji Matsumoto made a science fiction series about a star cruiser called the Yamato, and that was based on the historical ship? It's really more of a matter of a symbolic ship. The ship really symbolized the IJN. When it sank, so did the IJN with it.

Kinda like the Titanic. It was a dramatic sinking, sure, but it wasn't the biggest. The Queen Elizabeth, another passenger ship, sunk and took more lives than the titanic. But no one ever talks about the Queen Elizabeth. Why? Because the Titanic was just so big, and sank on its maiden voyage. Its not a matter of doing something, its a matter of what you represent to the people.

and yeah, for the movie they rebuilt about half of the ship full 1:1 scale.

lastly, I usually don't cry in movies. To be fair, the movie brought tears to my eyes, and a few times a tear or two rolled down my cheeks. That's a lot for me. The woman next to me however constantly had to pull out her handkerchief to wipe the tears that were rolling down her cheeks.

RE: Men of the Yamato Review

Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 7:53 am
by kumano
Happy New Year! all!!

Set of Yamato

http://www.yamato-movie.jp/index.html (Offical Japanese)

http://www.ononavi.jp/fan/yamato.html (Japanese)

http://www.ononavi.jp/fan/wallpaper.html (wallpaper)


http://www.interrupt.ne.jp/~vtf/0508onomiti_yamato.html
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I have not looked yet. [:)]

RE: Men of the Yamato Review

Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 8:08 am
by WhoCares
ORIGINAL: BossGnome

... The ship really symbolized the IJN. When it sank, so did the IJN with it.
...
Not to forget that Yamato was the name of ancient Japan - talking about symbolism. About one reason why the Deutschland was renamed to Lützow, iirc.