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Getting tougher - Name the ship 01-19

Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 9:27 pm
by Feinder
I'd like to see Ron get this one!

Obviously, not a profile. A view FROM the ship in question...



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RE: Getting tougher - Name the ship 01-19

Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 10:50 pm
by Sneer
looks like british c/d class CL
2 pdr between torp tubes on center I guess

RE: Getting tougher - Name the ship 01-19

Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 12:53 am
by Ron Saueracker
Having a hard time with this one. All I can think of is Arethusa class but something is not right to me...

RE: Getting tougher - Name the ship 01-19

Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 5:19 am
by Feinder
First hint -

It will help to actualy identify the gun mount first. If you can do that, it will go a long way towards identifying the ship.

-F-

RE: Getting tougher - Name the ship 01-19

Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 5:53 am
by Ron Saueracker
I thought Dutch (De Ruyter) right away but the triple torp tubes say no. Does not look like any other Dutch cruiser. Float cranes are wrong design for French.


Tough one!

RE: Getting tougher - Name the ship 01-19

Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 7:08 am
by Alikchi2
Isn't that that Vickers 25mm AA gun? For the Argentinean ship?

RE: Getting tougher - Name the ship 01-19

Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 8:37 am
by Alikchi2
Yeah, I'm going to guess - and I'm not sure about this - but I'm guessing the Argentinian training cruiser La Argentina.

RE: Getting tougher - Name the ship 01-19

Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 12:39 pm
by Feinder
It is a ship from WitP. So no, not Agentinean.

-F-

RE: Getting tougher - Name the ship 01-19

Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 3:20 pm
by Ron Saueracker
Best guess now is the Tromp given the triple tube mount where it is and the twin AA mount (early 40MM?, perhaps 25mm predecessor). Those derriks look wrong though.

RE: Getting tougher - Name the ship 01-19

Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 4:22 pm
by Feinder
It is not the Tromp.

The triple mount torpedo comment may help you figure out what it is (considering which navies used triple mounts).

Your hint for 01-20:

The AA gun is semi-automatic(!) with a relatively low rate of fire (duh). It is neither a 20mm nor a 40mm gun.

-F-

RE: Getting tougher - Name the ship 01-19

Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 4:26 pm
by Ron Saueracker
ORIGINAL: Feinder

It is not the Tromp.

The triple mount torpedo comment may help you figure out what it is (considering which navies used triple mounts).

Your hint for 01-20:

The AA gun is semi-automatic(!) with a relatively low rate of fire (duh). It is neither a 20mm nor a 40mm gun.

-F-

I was thinking the 25mm bofors that was originally preferred by the RN. Darn this is a good one. Not the Leander or Achilles, and not the Hobart or Perth as neither carried triples.

RE: Getting tougher - Name the ship 01-19

Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 4:32 pm
by rtrapasso
ORIGINAL: Feinder

It is not the Tromp.

The triple mount torpedo comment may help you figure out what it is (considering which navies used triple mounts).

Your hint for 01-20:

The AA gun is semi-automatic(!) with a relatively low rate of fire (duh). It is neither a 20mm nor a 40mm gun.

-F-

You aren't doing something sneaky like throwing in a captured IJN ship, are you?[:D]

RE: Getting tougher - Name the ship 01-19

Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 6:22 pm
by Mynok

I'll bet he is..or do you know something, and thus the [:D] ?

Those guys do look like they are "exploring"........

Hanazuki had a 4tube mount.......not her.

RE: Getting tougher - Name the ship 01-19

Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 7:27 pm
by rtrapasso
ORIGINAL: Mynok


I'll bet he is..or do you know something, and thus the [:D] ?

Those guys do look like they are "exploring"........

Hanazuki had a 4tube mount.......not her.


(Sgt. Schultz voice on) I know notheeeng!! (Sgt. Schultz voice off)

Well, actually, the weird clock device is something i've seen on WW2 IJN ships, and not normally something i associate with WW2 Allied ships. But, then again, i got rid of all most of my ship library with id pics, etc., before moving...[:(]

EDIT - my other "clue" is that he said "not 20 mm, and not 40 mm." He didn't say 25 mm. So, could it be a 23 mm. or something?

RE: Getting tougher - Name the ship 01-19

Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 7:38 pm
by Feinder
The clock looking thing is a range clock. The were commonly equipped on many WW2 era (and pre-WW2) vessels.

Comments from an article about the Range Clock :

"The large dial with numbers was popularly known as a "range clock." This dial, along with one on the aft side of mainmast, was used to indicate the range to the target to other ships in line ahead and astern. The numbers painted around the base of the turret similarly indicated the azimuth, or direction, to the target. These two devices together, it was believed, would allow a squadron of ships to concentrate their gunfire on a single target even if some of the ships couldn't actually see the target themselves due to smoke or weather conditions."

(the article was discussing battleships, so I editted it).

A picture of a range clock on the USS Arizaona :



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RE: Getting tougher - Name the ship 01-19

Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 7:52 pm
by rtrapasso
The clock looking thing is a range clock. The were commonly equipped on many WW2 era (and pre-WW2) vessels.

CAPTAIN: What time is it?

EXEC: Three o'clock, sir.

CAPTAIN: Excellent, they're in range now. Open fire!!!


I'd seen them on WW1 stuff - but hadn't seen them on Allied ships during WW2. Arizona, being sunk before the war really was declared, doesn't count![:'(]

RE: Getting tougher - Name the ship 01-19

Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 7:58 pm
by spence
C'est Le Triomphant, je croix.

RE: Getting tougher - Name the ship 01-19

Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 8:02 pm
by Feinder
Le Triomphant

We have a winner!

And Spence is new defending champion!

Oh, and the AA gun is a "37 mm/50 (1.46") CAIL Model 1933".

Spence, what tipped you off?
-F-

RE: Getting tougher - Name the ship 01-19

Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 10:26 pm
by Mynok

Musta been the French numbers on the range clock.... [:D]

RE: Getting tougher - Name the ship 01-19

Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 10:46 pm
by kaleun
And the biplanes flying over the Arizona?
Does this mean this post really belongs in the WPO forum?[&:]