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Weather simulation

Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2006 4:20 am
by Reg
At least we don't have to worry about this in the weather routines......
On 17 December 1944, the ships of Task Force 38, seven fleet and six light carriers, eight battleships, 15 cruisers, and about 50 destroyers were operating about 300 miles east of Luzon in the Philippine Sea. The carriers had just completed three days of heavy raids against Japanese airfields, suppressing enemy aircraft during the American amphibious operations against Mindoro in the Philippines. Although the sea had been becoming rougher all day, the nearby cyclonic disturbance gave relatively little warning of its approach. On 18 December, the small but violent typhoon overtook the Task Force while many of the ships were attempting to refuel. Many of the ships were caught near the center of the storm and buffeted by extreme seas and hurricane force winds. Three destroyers, USS Hull, USS Spence, and USS Monaghan, capsized and went down with practically all hands, while a cruiser, five aircraft carriers, and three destroyers suffered serious damage. Approximately 790 officers and men were lost or killed, with another 80 injured. Fires occurred in three carriers when planes broke loose in their hangars and some 146 planes on various ships were lost or damaged beyond economical repair by fires, impact damage, or by being swept overboard. This storm inflicted more damage on the Navy than any storm since the hurricane at Apia, Samoa in 1889. In the aftermath of this deadly storm, the Pacific Fleet established new weather stations in the Caroline Islands and, as they were secured, Manila, Iwo Jima, and Okinawa. In addition, new weather central offices (for coordinating data) were established at Guam and Leyte.

Source: US Naval Historical Center

RE: Weather simulation

Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2006 5:21 am
by DeepSix
Ah, yes, another of Halsey's great moments.

RE: Weather simulation

Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2006 7:18 pm
by wylfsun
WE SHOULD HAVE WEATHER EFFECTS AND DAMAGE IN THE GAME AS IT HAS REFLECTED THE MOST IMPORTANT LUCK FACTOR IN ALL HUMAN CONFLICT !!!! until the game reflects this we will not be playing a realistic simulation !
wylfsun

RE: Weather simulation

Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2006 7:20 pm
by Mike Solli
Uh oh. wylfsun used the s word.[:(][X(]

Welcome to the forum, by the way.[:D]

RE: Weather simulation

Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 3:49 am
by YankeeAirRat
ORIGINAL: DeepSix

Ah, yes, another of Halsey's great moments.

Not all of that was Halsey's fault. There were messages relying the on coming Typhoon that went missing in 3rd Fleet message logs along with advance weather guessing stations were still about 1000miles away from the front trying to guess what is going on and they had to run thier guess back to CINCPAC and CINCSWPAC HQ's for the offical fleet weather broadcast. There was a couple articles in USNI's Naval History this past summer talking about the Typhoon and 3rd fleet, the biggest things that was agreed on was the fact that although Halsy had cuplablity as the on-scene commander over all if all the message he was getting was saying that the projected track was out of his path then the most he could order was to assume heavy weather steaming. Hindsight is a perfect 20/20

RE: Weather simulation

Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 6:58 am
by DeepSix
Of course it wasn't entirely his fault -- and I'm not saying Halsey was a "bad" leader, but his impulsive nature was as much his weakness as his agressiveness was a strength. He is a fascinating study, and it seems like people either love him or hate him. I can't reconcile myself one way or the other, completely. I don't like him very much, and yet I can't dislike him very much, either. Sure, hindsight is 20/20, and for that reason I don't mind so much that he fell for Ozawa's bait. But for me hindsight is not enough to excuse him from taking on Mother Nature. For me, one was simply a tactical blunder that anyone could have made, the other was just plain recklessness that anyone could have avoided.

In either case, I'm glad I wasn't in his shoes.[:)]