Spotting, Operational Counters and Bears, oh my!
Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2006 2:11 pm
OK, I think my boy and I were playing wrong, but Im hoping some of you veterans can helps us out.
First, let me see if I have this straight. A stack of German counters, 2 MMC and 1 SMC, are in a hex. I'm trying to fire at those pesky Americans sneaking through the forest 3 hexes away. To do so, I must SPOT them first. The SMC makes a spot check and fails. The rules state that an Operations Complete counter is put top of the SMC. Here's where it falls apart for us...
1. Can now one of the MMC from the same stack also make a Spot check for those same pesky Americans?
2. If it succeeds, can the whole stack now fire on the spotted enemy, or only the MMC that is not under an Operations Complete ounter?
3. Can units under an Operations Complete marker FIRE at all? For example, in this instance all 3 units fail the spot check. Another German unit 4 hexes away actually takes the covers off thier binoculars and SPOTS the Americans. The sneaky Americans are now discovered and have a SPOTTED counter on them. Can the stack from the first example, (2 MMC and 1 SMC), who are under an Operations Complete marker then FIRE at the spotted Americans?
4. The rules states that Spotting checks do not use an impulse. What exactly does this mean? Can I spot anytime? Even on my opponents turn? (Not sure why you would do this, but just for arguements sake...)
5. Machine guns and bazookas. We were playing that either a MMC, SMC, leader or hero had to 'man' one of these, thus sacrificing the coutners FirePower to use the weapon. I believe I read in here that that is incorrect and in fact weapon counters already have a 'crew' or 'user' and fire all by themselves. Is this correct?
Also, several of the battle cards state the Germans get an 81mm Mortar, but no Counter for this weapon was included in our game. The counters were falling off the sheets when we opened it, so I don't know if there was a missing counter in the punchsheets. Is this a typo? If not, can someone at least post the stats so we can make our own. Or, is there a place you can at least download this?
Thanks for you input!
Dan
First, let me see if I have this straight. A stack of German counters, 2 MMC and 1 SMC, are in a hex. I'm trying to fire at those pesky Americans sneaking through the forest 3 hexes away. To do so, I must SPOT them first. The SMC makes a spot check and fails. The rules state that an Operations Complete counter is put top of the SMC. Here's where it falls apart for us...
1. Can now one of the MMC from the same stack also make a Spot check for those same pesky Americans?
2. If it succeeds, can the whole stack now fire on the spotted enemy, or only the MMC that is not under an Operations Complete ounter?
3. Can units under an Operations Complete marker FIRE at all? For example, in this instance all 3 units fail the spot check. Another German unit 4 hexes away actually takes the covers off thier binoculars and SPOTS the Americans. The sneaky Americans are now discovered and have a SPOTTED counter on them. Can the stack from the first example, (2 MMC and 1 SMC), who are under an Operations Complete marker then FIRE at the spotted Americans?
4. The rules states that Spotting checks do not use an impulse. What exactly does this mean? Can I spot anytime? Even on my opponents turn? (Not sure why you would do this, but just for arguements sake...)
5. Machine guns and bazookas. We were playing that either a MMC, SMC, leader or hero had to 'man' one of these, thus sacrificing the coutners FirePower to use the weapon. I believe I read in here that that is incorrect and in fact weapon counters already have a 'crew' or 'user' and fire all by themselves. Is this correct?
Also, several of the battle cards state the Germans get an 81mm Mortar, but no Counter for this weapon was included in our game. The counters were falling off the sheets when we opened it, so I don't know if there was a missing counter in the punchsheets. Is this a typo? If not, can someone at least post the stats so we can make our own. Or, is there a place you can at least download this?
Thanks for you input!
Dan