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Die-hard CL Boise
Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 7:37 pm
by Mighty Atomu
I am playing v1.6 as JPN and I noticed again and again that CL Boise is a die-hard cruiser...
Caught it with a 2 CL und 4DD task force near Tawi Tawi. It received 26 hits but got away, but it also managed to sink IJN CL Kashii and 2 DDs!!!
While I have the greatest respect for ships that fight on bravely, this seems a bit odd...
What does a Navy have to do to sink the Boise? Send three aircraft carrier divisions?
Any ideas? Meanwhile I am gonna google for history or check Hull's book on the INJ battles to see if Boise was some sort of super cruiser.
Thanks in advance, reverred seniors...
RE: Die-hard CL Boise
Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 7:43 pm
by Mike Solli
First, welcome to the Forum!
Ah, the Boise. My favorite Allied ship to hate.[:D] It's definitely one tough mother. How do you sink her? Torpedoes. Keep your ships in Japanese Nell/Betty range and you have a chance to catch all those nasty Allied ships. In my PBEM game, I finally got the Boise (by Betties and/or Nells) on 20 May 42 after she bombarded Rabaul. I consider myself as having won that game by having sunk her.[:D] She caused damage all out of proportion to her size.[:(]
RE: Die-hard CL Boise
Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 7:47 pm
by niceguy2005
ORIGINAL: Mighty Atomu
I am playing v1.6 as JPN and I noticed again and again that CL Boise is a die-hard cruiser...
Caught it with a 2 CL und 4DD task force near Tawi Tawi. It received 26 hits but got away, but it also managed to sink IJN CL Kashii and 2 DDs!!!
While I have the greatest respect for ships that fight on bravely, this seems a bit odd...
What does a Navy have to do to sink the Boise? Send three aircraft carrier divisions?
Any ideas? Meanwhile I am gonna google for history or check Hull's book on the INJ battles to see if Boise was some sort of super cruiser.
Thanks in advance, reverred seniors...
Go Boise, GO!!!!! [&o][&o][&o]
RE: Die-hard CL Boise
Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 7:51 pm
by Mike Solli
RE: Die-hard CL Boise
Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 8:48 pm
by Sneer
if you had 2 kashi type CLs (i assume so as their speed makes other composition difficult)+4 DD( good odds that rather older types) the advantage of firepower was at Boise
so if crew was good enough to dodge torps and kept to medium range at least it had a good chance of inflicting losses on enemy while being safe against low caliber japanese weapon -
8 5.5" of CLs are no threat to boise armor as well as 4.7 and 5 " of destroyers - only torps count but it is low reliability weapon
RE: Die-hard CL Boise
Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 9:34 pm
by 2ndACR
That is one of the few Allied ships that I go on a major hunt for early game. I hate that ship with a passion. She can devestate IJN ships. I use 2 CV's and a 4 CA surface group to try and catch her and kill her.[:@]
RE: Die-hard CL Boise
Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 9:40 pm
by Dino
I have a strong suspicion that CL Boise is hard coded in some way...
BTW, I love her.
RE: Die-hard CL Boise
Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 9:48 pm
by String
Boise is a Brooklyn class light cruiser. It's bristling with high performance 6" guns and has almost heavy cruiser armor. She also is, along with the Prince of Wales, the most modern ship in the SRA area on december 7th. The only bad thing about her is her moderate night experience.
Kashii class (or rather the Katori class into which Kashii belongs) are undoubtedly THE crappiest CL's afloat in WitP. Slow, weakly armed and armored. Designed as training cruisers. They don't even have the 24" torpedoes.
Bring in heavy cruisers, or better yet, use your aircraft.
RE: Die-hard CL Boise
Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 9:51 pm
by Mike Solli
ORIGINAL: String
Kashii class (or rather the Katori class into which Kashii belongs) are undoubtedly THE crappiest CL's afloat in WitP. Slow, weakly armed and armored. Designed as training cruisers. They don't even have the 24" torpedoes.
and that's saying something about Japanese CLs.......
By the way, I think you're being generous about the Katori class in particular and Japanese CLs in general.
RE: Die-hard CL Boise
Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 10:32 pm
by String
ORIGINAL: Mike Solli
ORIGINAL: String
Kashii class (or rather the Katori class into which Kashii belongs) are undoubtedly THE crappiest CL's afloat in WitP. Slow, weakly armed and armored. Designed as training cruisers. They don't even have the 24" torpedoes.
and that's saying something about Japanese CLs.......
By the way, I think you're being generous about the Katori class in particular and Japanese CLs in general.
Well, the other CL's (aside from the Tenryu's) atleast have a nice battery of long lances. They do fine vs enemy destroyers too, with their armor and 5.5" guns. IIRC their role was planned as a destroyer leader in the first place. Now if they were armed with those nice 6.1" guns things would have been quite different.
Alas, small japanese sailors couldn't handload those shells well and no automatic system was available
RE: Die-hard CL Boise
Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 10:32 pm
by niceguy2005
ORIGINAL: String
Boise is a Brooklyn class light cruiser. It's bristling with high performance 6" guns and has almost heavy cruiser armor. She also is, along with the Prince of Wales, the most modern ship in the SRA area on december 7th. The only bad thing about her is her moderate night experience.
Kashii class (or rather the Katori class into which Kashii belongs) are undoubtedly THE crappiest CL's afloat in WitP. Slow, weakly armed and armored. Designed as training cruisers. They don't even have the 24" torpedoes.
Bring in heavy cruisers, or better yet, use your aircraft.
Yep, A BB (Hei I think) got mine of Kendari. Not until it had sunk several transports though.
RE: Die-hard CL Boise
Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 10:59 pm
by DuckofTindalos
Heh, I remember way back from Alikchi's playtest of Iron Storm 1, where the Boise also kicked a lot of Japanese keister...
RE: Die-hard CL Boise
Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 1:51 am
by alfrake
ORIGINAL: Mighty Atomu
Caught it with a 2 CL und 4DD task force near Tawi Tawi. It received 26 hits but got away, but it also managed to sink IJN CL Kashii and 2 DDs!!!
Wow, the Boise had a bad day. I have had the Boise wipe out the initial Legaspi invasion escort TF containing a CL and about 8 DDs. It got them all in one engagement, none made it to port. The Boise was not seriously hurt.
RE: Die-hard CL Boise
Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 8:49 am
by Speedysteve
You guys remember a while ago when Boise had Proton Torpedo's......?[:D]
RE: Die-hard CL Boise
Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 6:31 pm
by ny59giants
Since both my PBEM's are still in 12/41, I guess I need to do my own experiment with the Boise and a few Flush Deck DD's.
I'll probably send the other 2 Brooklyn class at PH over to join the fun and change the seaplanes over to Kingfisher for the extra search range. [;)]
RE: Die-hard CL Boise
Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 6:35 pm
by niceguy2005
Use the Flush Decks sparingly in surface engagments. They are poor gunners, or perhaps it is poor guns. They are far more usefull for convoy escort.
RE: Die-hard CL Boise
Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 6:46 pm
by ny59giants
I know, because the Flush Deck are one of the few ASW ships rated at 4 to start the game. [:D] These are the one's over in the PI and SRA.
The PH one's are assigned to escorting troop convoys.
RE: Die-hard CL Boise
Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 6:55 pm
by Mighty Atomu
Wow, thanks everyone. Quite inspiring and rather interesting.
After a somewhat lenghthy discussion at Imperial Navy Headquarters, including some coordination calls with key Imperial Army leaders, I have decided to send the message out to the Imperial Navy:
Here is a translation:
SINK THE GODDAMN BOISE!!!
RE: Die-hard CL Boise
Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 6:58 pm
by Mike Solli
Easier said than done......[:(]
RE: Die-hard CL Boise
Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 7:04 pm
by Mighty Atomu
It has to be done. It is a matter of honor. I need more research...
Torpedos, huh?
I caught her on day 2 near Tawi Tawi while establishing a air base in Jolo. That air base should serve well for Bettys and Nells...
