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To save me trawling through the list of subs and looking at each one, other than the O19 and O20 what other Allied subs were capable of minelaying please anyone?

Roger

The unrefitted Argonaught.

Hmmm, so just three subs in the whole allied fleet?

Roger

I think those are the only ones that carry mines routinely. But I think any sub can perform a Submarine Minelaying mission, they just replace some of their torpedoes with mines. I don't know how many, I personally don't really do a lot of sub minelaying. I prefer to simply torpedo the ships.

ORIGINAL: dtravel

I think those are the only ones that carry mines routinely. But I think any sub can perform a Submarine Minelaying mission, they just replace some of their torpedoes with mines. I don't know how many, I personally don't really do a lot of sub minelaying. I prefer to simply torpedo the ships.

Look for the subs with large capacity, like the Salmons, if you want to do minelaying. Some subs like the s boats will only carry a few mines.

I can't be sure but I think that subs with small cargo cap (cargo<36) can lay only 2 mines . Can someone confirm this ?

ORIGINAL: Milman

I can't be sure but I think that subs with small cargo cap (cargo<36) can lay only 2 mines . Can someone confirm this ?

IIRC its actually 8, if you fill the tubes as well but I would have to check

Subs that are not dedicated minelayers can usually lay about 12-18 mines, IIRC. Dutch O19 and O20 can lay 40 VH2 mines above that (VH2 in dedicated mine racks and 12 Mk10 in tubes). Argonaut was something like 60 Mk 12 and 12 Mk 10, IIRC...at least in CHS.

Mines are for sssssneaking thievesssss! Nassssssssty Hobbitssssssss! We hatesssssssssss thems!

Put some torps in those tubes and charge for the glory of Rohan!

-F-

ORIGINAL: Feinder

Mines are for sssssneaking thievesssss! Nassssssssty Hobbitssssssss! We hatesssssssssss thems!

Put some torps in those tubes and charge for the glory of Rohan!

-F-

No more coffee for that man.

ORIGINAL: Feinder

Mines are for sssssneaking thievesssss! Nassssssssty Hobbitssssssss! We hatesssssssssss thems!

Put some torps in those tubes and charge for the glory of Rohan!

-F-

Just beware the depth charges of Sauron. The Nazgul have a 20 rating on ASW.

Back on topic

If you use the non-dedicated subs for mine warfare ops its best to use them in flotillas 5-10 strong or the tiny minefields wont last long due to degredation. dropping off 70-120 mines a pop is much more useful in my experience.

ORIGINAL: Rob Brennan UK

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If you use the non-dedicated subs for mine warfare ops its best to use them in flotillas 5-10 strong or the tiny minefields wont last long due to degredation. dropping off 70-120 mines a pop is much more useful in my experience.

I'm speaking from a Japanese perspective, but I suspect it's all the same. The Japanese have 4 minelaying subs (I-121-124) and they carry 50 mines each. I use them in 1 ship TFs and they are relatively effective that way. I'd say that, on average, 1-2 Allied ships hit sub mines a month. It's more for nuisance value than anything. Anything to give my opponents ulcers.....[:D]

oh agreed absolutely .. dedicated mine layign subs go solo. non dedicated in flotillas/packs/bunches/gangs/mobs/gaggles/groups/prides etc.[:D]

ORIGINAL: Feinder

Mines are for sssssneaking thievesssss! Nassssssssty Hobbitssssssss! We hatesssssssssss thems!

Put some torps in those tubes and charge for the glory of Rohan!

-F-

Naw, this is for those IJN Glen-carrying subs to further irritate the Allies with. You can load up with mines and have a little Glen flying around and it will drive them mad (assuming the sub don't get sunk). I've long considered that the best weapon for the IJN is to lay mines in enemy ports, and now I'm more convinced of it, as I forgot that ordinary subs could do this.

ORIGINAL: Milman

I can't be sure but I think that subs with small cargo cap (cargo<36) can lay only 2 mines . Can someone confirm this ?

Milman

I have just remebered that I had this information at my finger tips all the time. The mine carrying capacity of some different allied sub classes is given below. I think these figures assume the sub also carrys mines in the tubes

Argonaut 68m
British 'T' 20m
Cachcalot 12m
Dolphin 12m
Gato 20m
KXI 8m
KXIV 12m
Narwhal 12m
O19 48m
Perch 12m
S Class 8m
Tambor 20m

I think the Salmons should also be able to carry a good load but don't have to the figures for them

Are that intel for real subs or for WITP . I just checked and it say that sub cary only 2 mines (Allied S-sub(cargo = 24) ). I sent one sub on my base so i will have results in 1-2 turns in my PBEM .

ORIGINAL: Milman

Are that intel for real subs or for WITP . I just checked and it say that sub cary only 2 mines (Allied S-sub(cargo = 24) ). I sent one sub on my base so i will have results in 1-2 turns in my PBEM .

They are actual results from witp. I have been conducting a sub mine laying campaign in one game so have kept track of how many mines each sub type can load.

I wish there was a way to keep track of mines in enemy ports that I lay and in coastal hexes, but those are on "my" personal Wish List. [&o]
Does anyone have a way to keep track of them or do you just keep going back to the same spot every once in a while??

ORIGINAL: mantill


Argonaut 68m
British 'T' 20m
Cachcalot 12m
Dolphin 12m
Gato 20m
KXI 8m
KXIV 12m
Narwhal 12m
O19 48m
Perch 12m
S Class 8m
Tambor 20m

Also:

Salmon 16m
Balao 60m
British S' 14m
O16 12m
O21 12m