AG, Collier
Posted: Thu May 04, 2006 11:10 pm
could someone explaine what a Collier is?
Page 1 of 2
RE: AG, Collier
Posted: Thu May 04, 2006 11:33 pm
A superdog, as in "dobermannier," which is an enhanced version of that breed.
RE: AG, Collier
Posted: Thu May 04, 2006 11:34 pm
Its a breed of dog.
Oh, you mean in the game? There are no Colliers in the game, AG means Barge.
Oh, you mean in the game? There are no Colliers in the game, AG means Barge.
RE: AG, Collier
Posted: Fri May 05, 2006 1:15 am
They carried coal for ships prior to our Navy's converting to fuel oil. Here's a link with some pics of colliers.
http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/even ... lliers.htm
Here's a link (from the same website) of probably the most famous collier, the U.S.S. Cyclops. The Cyclops disappeared without a trace in the area known as...cue creepy music...THE BERMUDA TRIANGLE!
http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/sh-u ... yclops.htm
http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/even ... lliers.htm
Here's a link (from the same website) of probably the most famous collier, the U.S.S. Cyclops. The Cyclops disappeared without a trace in the area known as...cue creepy music...THE BERMUDA TRIANGLE!
http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/sh-u ... yclops.htm
RE: AG, Collier
Posted: Fri May 05, 2006 2:01 am
Except that in the game AGs are exclusively IJN. Coal barges (the early ones were anyway), converted from civillian use to military, hauling rice and ammo and sake and light infantry and such. There were several small surface actions fought in the Solomons in 1943 as a result of IJN attempts to push barge convoys through, and USN attempts to interdict such convoys. I believe the PT 109 action was one such....
RE: AG, Collier
Posted: Fri May 05, 2006 12:09 pm
ORIGINAL: pasternakski
A superdog, as in "dobermannier," which is an enhanced version of that breed.
Pas..........I believe you are thinking of a Rottwiellier.......related to a Chihuahuallier...........
RE: AG, Collier
Posted: Fri May 05, 2006 5:14 pm
PT 109 was not much action - they just parked, fell asleep and got run over by a destroyer
RE: AG, Collier
Posted: Fri May 05, 2006 5:28 pm
ORIGINAL: m10bob
Pas..........I believe you are thinking of a Rottwiellier.......related to a Chihuahuallier...........
RE: AG, Collier
Posted: Fri May 05, 2006 5:39 pm
I'm sorry we all got so flippant in response to your perfectly good question, which is one that occurred to everyone when Uncommon Valor came out. We just haven't had any opportunity to have fun with it for a long time.ORIGINAL: AJRuss
could someone explaine what a Collier is?
I remember looking at the ship types list and wondering, "Coal scows? Why in the world are there coal scows in this game?" Apparently, nobody on the design team could figure out (a) what to call the small craft converted by the Japanese for troop and supply carrying use, or (b) a usable two-letter designation for them to put in the list of ship types.
I mean, if you call 'em "barges," one of the semi-wits around here would have come up with, "Barges? We don't need no stinkin' barges" by now. Besides, Brady doesn't appear to want any more clolryrs, but he'd be clamoring for 1,000,000 more berags to fill out the "Woden fleat."
RE: AG, Collier
Posted: Fri May 05, 2006 6:00 pm
Couldn't they have been called LCVP's? I know that wasn't a correct designator, but neither was AG.
RE: AG, Collier
Posted: Fri May 05, 2006 8:35 pm
ORIGINAL: pasternakski
"Woden fleat."
That was perfect. [:D]
RE: AG, Collier
Posted: Fri May 05, 2006 9:52 pm
I could never figure out why "barge" wasn't the first and most obvious choice for describing Japanese light troop- and supply-carrying craft.ORIGINAL: Terminus
Couldn't they have been called LCVP's? I know that wasn't a correct designator, but neither was AG.
Of course, I could never figure out why USN amphibious assault craft were not carried on parent APAs and AKAs, either ... (when you consider that you can create PT boats out of on-board supplies, the mystery deepens)
RE: AG, Collier
Posted: Fri May 05, 2006 9:53 pm
Thanks fer bringin' me up to "cruze spead."ORIGINAL: anarchyintheuk
ORIGINAL: pasternakski
"Woden fleat."
That was perfect. [:D]
RE: AG, Collier
Posted: Fri May 05, 2006 9:56 pm
ORIGINAL: pasternakski
I'm sorry we all got so flippant in response to your perfectly good question, which is one that occurred to everyone when Uncommon Valor came out. We just haven't had any opportunity to have fun with it for a long time.ORIGINAL: AJRuss
could someone explaine what a Collier is?
I remember looking at the ship types list and wondering, "Coal scows? Why in the world are there coal scows in this game?" Apparently, nobody on the design team could figure out (a) what to call the small craft converted by the Japanese for troop and supply carrying use, or (b) a usable two-letter designation for them to put in the list of ship types.
I mean, if you call 'em "barges," one of the semi-wits around here would have come up with, "Barges? We don't need no stinkin' barges" by now. Besides, Brady doesn't appear to want any more clolryrs, but he'd be clamoring for 1,000,000 more berags to fill out the "Woden fleat."
Yer killin' me.....stop it.........................
RE: AG, Collier
Posted: Fri May 05, 2006 9:57 pm
ORIGINAL: pasternakski
I could never figure out why "barge" wasn't the first and most obvious choice for describing Japanese light troop- and supply-carrying craft.ORIGINAL: Terminus
Couldn't they have been called LCVP's? I know that wasn't a correct designator, but neither was AG.
Of course, I could never figure out why USN amphibious assault craft were not carried on parent APAs and AKAs, either ... (when you consider that you can create PT boats out of on-board supplies, the mystery deepens)
Most of the books I've read use the proper and historic term of uhhhh....."barges".[:D]
RE: AG, Collier
Posted: Fri May 05, 2006 9:59 pm
[/quote]
You looked all day for that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
RE: AG, Collier
Posted: Fri May 05, 2006 10:54 pm
ORIGINAL: m10bob
Most of the books I've read use the proper and historic term of uhhhh....."barges".[:D]
Yeah, but that's not a fancy-schmanzy acronym, is it?
RE: AG, Collier
Posted: Sat May 06, 2006 12:08 am
Surely someone who wrote WitP manual (I doubt if he ever played this game) incorrectly read AG as AC and described it as a Collier...
RE: AG, Collier
Posted: Sat May 06, 2006 12:35 am
Interesting... AC does mean Collier, and AG "Miscellaneous Auxiliary"...
RE: AG, Collier
Posted: Sat May 06, 2006 2:34 am
Probably should have been YG...
Seriously, if you apply a little logic, and the rules (dont know what the WW2 equivalent is to the modern day classification system manual), it probably should be something like YFK or YFKP.
George
Seriously, if you apply a little logic, and the rules (dont know what the WW2 equivalent is to the modern day classification system manual), it probably should be something like YFK or YFKP.
George