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Is there any limitation for russian manpower?
Its squad reserve in the pool grows by ~6000 squads each week until reaches ~29000. This means that theoreticaly Russia could make ~62.000.000 soldiers during 4 years. That's a nonsence. Reasonable number would be 20 millions(10% of total population is already very extreme number).

Originally posted by Mist:
Is there any limitation for russian manpower?
Its squad reserve in the pool grows by ~6000 squads each week until reaches ~29000. This means that theoreticaly Russia could make ~62.000.000 soldiers during 4 years. That's a nonsence. Reasonable number would be 20 millions(10% of total population is already very extreme number).

I don't see 6,000 squads going into the USSR's infantry pool, its more like 2,000 per turn. The USSR never lacked for manpower, they had more people than they could support in uniform, remember those guys and gals had to be equipped, fed, and taken care of. They couldn't put everyone in uniform that they had. They were the only major nation to have that manpower advantage.

Originally posted by Mist:
Is there any limitation for russian manpower?
Its squad reserve in the pool grows by ~6000 squads each week until reaches ~29000. This means that theoreticaly Russia could make ~62.000.000 soldiers during 4 years. That's a nonsence. Reasonable number would be 20 millions(10% of total population is already very extreme number).

The Soviet replacement rate is very high in 1941, with a limit on the pool size of 30,000 squads. After 1941, the replacements are much lower, and for awhile are not much different than the Axis replacements, depending on how many cities have been lost by each side. Also, I always thought of the replacements also consisting of wounded returning to duty, which may be 20-30% of the total losses, depending on POWs, etc. Anyway, I am fairly sure that the replacements for the Soviets drop down to around 1000-1200 squads per week after 1941 (or maybe during 1941?), or maybe an intermediate level at that point, but it does drop down to the 1000 or so at some point.


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Rick Bancroft
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Originally posted by RickyB:

The Soviet replacement rate is very high in 1941, with a limit on the pool size of 30,000 squads. After 1941, the replacements are much lower, and for awhile are not much different than the Axis replacements, depending on how many cities have been lost by each side. Also, I always thought of the replacements also consisting of wounded returning to duty, which may be 20-30% of the total losses, depending on POWs, etc. Anyway, I am fairly sure that the replacements for the Soviets drop down to around 1000-1200 squads per week after 1941 (or maybe during 1941?), or maybe an intermediate level at that point, but it does drop down to the 1000 or so at some point.

Thanx alot guys! 6000 squads/week in 1941 and 1200 squads/week after 1941 makes things more realistic, because in this case Russia could call ~20 milions of conscripts to military service.
P.S. for Ed : Choose both humans and start the 1941 campain. Do nothing except checking russian pool every turn. You will see ~6000 squads per turn increment. This is more than germans could destroy even at first week of blitzkrieg. Oh, my God. They should not attack Russia at all.

Originally posted by Mist:
P.S. for Ed : Choose both humans and start the 1941 campain. Do nothing except checking russian pool every turn. You will see ~6000 squads per turn increment. This is more than germans could destroy even at first week of blitzkrieg. Oh, my God. They should not attack Russia at all.

Oops, never mind. I thought I could turn the replacement rate for all Soviet HQs to 0 to be able to see the infantry replacements coming in, but that doesn't work. It is a lot more than 2000.

Originally posted by Mist:

Originally posted by RickyB:

The Soviet replacement rate is very high in 1941, with a limit on the pool size of 30,000 squads. After 1941, the replacements are much lower, and for awhile are not much different than the Axis replacements, depending on how many cities have been lost by each side. Also, I always thought of the replacements also consisting of wounded returning to duty, which may be 20-30% of the total losses, depending on POWs, etc. Anyway, I am fairly sure that the replacements for the Soviets drop down to around 1000-1200 squads per week after 1941 (or maybe during 1941?), or maybe an intermediate level at that point, but it does drop down to the 1000 or so at some point.

Thanx alot guys! 6000 squads/week in 1941 and 1200 squads/week after 1941 makes things more realistic, because in this case Russia could call ~20 milions of conscripts to military service.
P.S. for Ed : Choose both humans and start the 1941 campain. Do nothing except checking russian pool every turn. You will see ~6000 squads per turn increment. This is more than germans could destroy even at first week of blitzkrieg. Oh, my God. They should not attack Russia at all.

Back when I played paper wargames we did a game from SPI called War in Europe, I was the USSR in that game. As it happened the Axis players had a hard time in France so they delayed the attack on me until 42. In that game there is a rule that when the Axis invades, each City in the USSR creates reaction divisions, basically calling up the militia, reserves etc. When I was invaded in that game I managed to run out of playing pieces for the 1-4 infantry divisions there were so many men under arms. With the knowledge that I couldn't hold at the border I had set up mutiple lines of defense further in and held the Germans at the end of 42 to less than 20 hexes pentration. Your statement about the Germans not attacking is right on the money. With a competant defense, the Germans should and will lose every time. They can't win against Russian manpower any better than they could against US material.
thanks, John.

Originally posted by Mist:

Originally posted by RickyB:

The Soviet replacement rate is very high in 1941, with a limit on the pool size of 30,000 squads. After 1941, the replacements are much lower, and for awhile are not much different than the Axis replacements, depending on how many cities have been lost by each side. Also, I always thought of the replacements also consisting of wounded returning to duty, which may be 20-30% of the total losses, depending on POWs, etc. Anyway, I am fairly sure that the replacements for the Soviets drop down to around 1000-1200 squads per week after 1941 (or maybe during 1941?), or maybe an intermediate level at that point, but it does drop down to the 1000 or so at some point.

Thanx alot guys! 6000 squads/week in 1941 and 1200 squads/week after 1941 makes things more realistic, because in this case Russia could call ~20 milions of conscripts to military service.
P.S. for Ed : Choose both humans and start the 1941 campain. Do nothing except checking russian pool every turn. You will see ~6000 squads per turn increment. This is more than germans could destroy even at first week of blitzkrieg. Oh, my God. They should not attack Russia at all.

Back when I played paper wargames we did a game from SPI called War in Europe, I was the USSR in that game. As it happened the Axis players had a hard time in France so they delayed the attack on me until 42. In that game there is a rule that when the Axis invades, each City in the USSR creates reaction divisions, basically calling up the militia, reserves etc. When I was invaded in that game I managed to run out of playing pieces for the 1-4 infantry divisions there were so many men under arms. With the knowledge that I couldn't hold at the border I had set up mutiple lines of defense further in and held the Germans at the end of 42 to less than 20 hexes pentration. Your statement about the Germans not attacking is right on the money. With a competant defense, the Germans should and will lose every time. They can't win against Russian manpower any better than they could against US material.
thanks, John.