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Popeye - WITP Edition
Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 7:43 am
by Charles2222
As much Popeye that I saw over the years I can't recall ever having seen this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZGkH-UM ... rch=popeye
RE: Popeye - WITP Edition
Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 8:25 am
by MarcA
Funny looking little fellas who don't now how to fight and run at the first sight of trouble. Substandard manufacturing and inferior products compared to US products. You can start to understand the stereotyping of the Japanese that was prevelant at that time, and the hard lessons which had to be learn't becuase of it.
RE: Popeye - WITP Edition
Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 9:28 am
by Raverdave
Classic propaganda[:D]
RE: Popeye - WITP Edition
Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 10:50 am
by spence
Though I vaguely remember some cartoons from the 50's that dealt with our WW2 enemies in what would now be a politically incorrect manner that one seems a bit over the top.
War is so much nicer now that we are sensitive to the hopes, dreams and aspirations of our enemies; don't you think?
RE: Popeye - WITP Edition
Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 10:53 am
by captskillet
Me thinks both sides had to learn the hard truths about the other...........their view of westerners as soft, etc. cost them plenty also.....like a war!
RE: Popeye - WITP Edition
Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 12:18 pm
by Oliver Heindorf
bad propaganda but funny to watch
RE: Popeye - WITP Edition
Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 12:28 pm
by Ron Saueracker
Pretty funny stuff. Love the classic propaganda toons.[:)]
RE: Popeye - WITP Edition
Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 12:42 pm
by rtrapasso
This one looks sorta familiar - at least Popeye on his little subchaser/whaler does... but the one i saw involved a submarine iirc. But, i probably saw that close to 50 years ago, and details are a bit fuzzy... [:'(]
RE: Popeye - WITP Edition
Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 12:54 pm
by MarcA
ORIGINAL: captskillet
Me thinks both sides had to learn the hard truths about the other...........their view of westerners as soft, etc. cost them plenty also.....like a war!
Very true, very true.
RE: Popeye - WITP Edition
Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 2:20 pm
by Big B
In this age of Political Correctness I suppose one is expected to be indignant and appalled at such stereotyping and gross insensitivity.
To which I say "Ahh Bullshit" - it was a wartime cartoon, made for an American audience at a time when unspeakable atrocity was a daily fact of life. It was simple humor, nothing more.
As another wartime cartoon collection from Warner Brothers Studios pointed out: "if we couldn't Blitz Hitler, Mussolini, and Tojo out of existence - at least we could have a laugh at their expense".
RE: Popeye - WITP Edition
Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 2:44 pm
by Grotius
Thanks for the link. Was that sound at the very end (the rushing sound of water) what I thought it was?
RE: Popeye - WITP Edition
Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 2:55 pm
by DuckofTindalos
ORIGINAL: Big B
In this age of Political Correctness I suppose one is expected to be indignant and appalled at such stereotyping and gross insensitivity.
To which I say "Ahh Bullshit" - it was a wartime cartoon, made for an American audience at a time when unspeakable atrocity was a daily fact of life. It was simple humor, nothing more.
As another wartime cartoon collection from Warner Brothers Studios pointed out: "if we couldn't Blitz Hitler, Mussolini, and Tojo out of existence - at least we could have a laugh at their expense".
Yeah well, in today's scrunched-up PC world, that's a big fat no-no...
RE: Popeye - WITP Edition
Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 5:33 pm
by panda124c
Spike Jones would never survive in todays world. "In the Fuhrer's Face." [:D]
RE: Popeye - WITP Edition
Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 5:59 pm
by Mailer22
Maybe we don't like this kind of propaganda today because we believe that in a transparent democracy the truth will do instead. Citizens of a Democracy shouldn't require a racist cartoon to whip them up into a frenzy, they should be spoken to as adults.
Some of you think we are too PC today, but do you really want a bunch of propaganda cartoons depicting Arabs in a racist way? We supposedly arent fighting against the entire race, just the terrorists.
So why insult the entire race. We don't even have a specific nation to declare as enemy. just some vague description--"terrorist"
Not everything is motivated by "Political Correctness" and the old ways are not always the best.
RE: Popeye - WITP Edition
Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 6:15 pm
by rtrapasso
ORIGINAL: Mailer22
Maybe we don't like this kind of propaganda today because we believe that in a transparent democracy the truth will do instead. Citizens of a Democracy shouldn't require a racist cartoon to whip them up into a frenzy, they should be spoken to as adults.
Some of you think we are too PC today, but do you really want a bunch of propaganda cartoons depicting Arabs in a racist way? We supposedly arent fighting against the entire race, just the terrorists.
So why insult the entire race. We don't even have a specific nation to declare as enemy. just some vague description--"terrorist"
Not everything is motivated by "Political Correctness" and the old ways are not always the best.
curiously, the reverse is not true as non-Muslims are routinely characterized as being subhuman or nonhuman by Muslims (at least by the Saudis, but others as well iirc), even in the official curriculum of their schools (not just in the press)
RE: Popeye - WITP Edition
Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 6:24 pm
by mogami
Hi, That Popeye cartoon was released in Aug of 1942.
RE: Popeye - WITP Edition
Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 6:35 pm
by spence
Maybe we don't like this kind of propaganda today because we believe that in a transparent democracy the truth will do instead. Citizens of a Democracy shouldn't require a racist cartoon to whip them up into a frenzy, they should be spoken to as adults.
Some of you think we are too PC today, but do you really want a bunch of propaganda cartoons depicting Arabs in a racist way? We supposedly arent fighting against the entire race, just the terrorists.
So why insult the entire race. We don't even have a specific nation to declare as enemy. just some vague description--"terrorist"
Not everything is motivated by "Political Correctness" and the old ways are not always the best.
Occasionally I question the premise that it is possible to kill the enemy without hurting his feelings.
RE: Popeye - WITP Edition
Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 6:38 pm
by mogami
Hi, Children of nations at war are afraid. They are afraid the "bad guys" will come and hurt them. I'm not sure if telling a 5 year old the truth will ease their fears. They need to be assured
1. The good guys are winning
2. The bad guys deserve what they get.
Of course the problem from this is you have adults that believe it.
RE: Popeye - WITP Edition
Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 7:44 pm
by MarcA
ORIGINAL: Mogami
Hi, Children of nations at war are afraid. They are afraid the "bad guys" will come and hurt them. I'm not sure if telling a 5 year old the truth will ease their fears. They need to be assured
1. The good guys are winning
2. The bad guys deserve what they get.
Of course the problem from this is you have adults that believe it.
I agree with Mog here. I have a 6 year old and the world is definitely divided into goodies and baddies and the goodies have to win. The concept that the enemy are just people as well and that the only realy monsters are people who, in many ways, are not too different from you and I, is something which requires more maturity to understand. Being closer to your teens I would say, when you start to become more aware of the world around you.
However, in 1942 TV's were pretty much unheard of and cinemas were the only venue for many people to watch films and news reels, cartoons such as pop-eye where meant for adults as well as children.
RE: Popeye - WITP Edition
Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 8:07 pm
by Big B
ORIGINAL: spence
Maybe we don't like this kind of propaganda today because we believe that in a transparent democracy the truth will do instead. Citizens of a Democracy shouldn't require a racist cartoon to whip them up into a frenzy, they should be spoken to as adults.
Some of you think we are too PC today, but do you really want a bunch of propaganda cartoons depicting Arabs in a racist way? We supposedly arent fighting against the entire race, just the terrorists.
So why insult the entire race. We don't even have a specific nation to declare as enemy. just some vague description--"terrorist"
Not everything is motivated by "Political Correctness" and the old ways are not always the best.
Occasionally I question the premise that it is possible to kill the enemy without hurting his feelings.
Occasionally I question the premise that "hurting feelings" is the morale equivelant to killing[8|]