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Important CHS announcement
Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 9:11 pm
by Andrew Brown
I have just received a message from another forum member regarding maximum bomb loads for aircraft, that confirms that it is only used for airfield size calculation for aircraft, and nothing else. That means that many of the max bombload figures in CHS - originally modified to affect the effectiveness of heavy bombers in the game, I believe - are too low and should be increased back to the values used in the standard game.
I will soon - in the next day or two - issue another update to CHS that includes these changes (as well as the usual collection of minor fixes that are still being reported).
Andrew
RE: Important CHS announcement
Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 9:51 pm
by MkXIV
So then what do you use to set the bombload of an aircraft?
RE: Important CHS announcement
Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 10:30 pm
by Terminus
Load capacity, I would presume...
RE: Important CHS announcement
Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 11:17 pm
by Andrew Brown
It seems I have outsmarted myself with this one. Looking at the Max load values, I have already changed them back - at least some of them. I now rememeber doing this a while ago when there was a previous discussion about what Max Load was used for. I think I did it "just in case". So hopefully there is no need for further adjustments, but I will do another check just to be sure.
Andrew
RE: Important CHS announcement
Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 11:27 pm
by witpqs
Andrew,
Scared the hell out of yourself, eh?!
I hear all of Australia has been out of kilter since that penalty kick!
[:'(]
RE: Important CHS announcement
Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 11:43 pm
by Halsey
Since I am now a pseudo "Japanese Fanboy" this doesn't bother me anymore.[:D]
Too late for us, we're already on 2.05.
RE: Important CHS announcement
Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 11:52 pm
by Andrew Brown
ORIGINAL: Halsey
Since I am now a pseudo "Japanese Fanboy" this doesn't bother me anymore.[:D]
Too late for us, we're already on 2.05.
Well, I don't remember hearing any complaints about this from CHS 1.x, which did use the reduced load values. Probably because the main effect would be when the B-29s come into service, and not many people get that far in the game. It looks to already be corrected anyway, as I said above. But if I do find any remaining differences I will fix them.
Andrew
RE: Important CHS announcement
Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 12:58 am
by ny59giants
Actually, earlier today I was ypdating my list (availability, radius, replacement, bomb load) of Allied aircraft from both CHS and Iron Storm from stock scenarios and I noticed a significant decrease in bomb loads for most Allied bombers. My heavies weren't that heavy and my B-25C carried 6x 500lb GP while a B-17E carries 8x 500lb GP. Yes, at a greater distance, but not much different in bomb load.
RE: Important CHS announcement
Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 1:50 am
by jwxspoon
We've completed our first 2 days of turns under 2.05 in the new team game. So far so good. AA is wicked under scenario 157 for low flying aircraft.
jw
RE: Important CHS announcement
Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 2:01 am
by Ron Saueracker
Now I'm really confused. [X(] Can't we just take the twat who is responsible for the crud-editor and beat some sense into him until his paid for house is suddenly an empty lot?
RE: Important CHS announcement
Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 2:03 am
by Ron Saueracker
ORIGINAL: Ron Saueracker
Now I'm really confused. [X(] Can't we just take the twat who is responsible for the crud-editor and beat some sense into him until his paid for house is suddenly an empty lot?
Seriously...this is three years and counting. I should have become a programmer so I could sell my useless efforts for a profit.[:@] Must be nice....[8|]
RE: Important CHS announcement
Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 2:06 am
by Ron Saueracker
Shhhhhhhhhhhhh.[;)]
RE: Important CHS announcement
Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 2:16 am
by Nomad
ORIGINAL: Ron Saueracker
I officially retire any games I have if my opponents are so willing.
?????????????????????????
If that is what you want, I have scrapped my first turn. [:(]
RE: Important CHS announcement
Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 2:23 am
by Andrew Brown
ORIGINAL: Ron Saueracker
ORIGINAL: Ron Saueracker
Now I'm really confused. [X(] Can't we just take the twat who is responsible for the crud-editor and beat some sense into him until his paid for house is suddenly an empty lot?
Seriously...this is three years and counting. I should have become a programmer so I could sell my useless efforts for a profit.[:@] Must be nice....[8|]
This has nothing to do with the editor, Ron. This is about the "Max Load" values for aircraft. Lemurs originally decreased these values for 4E bombers, in an attempt to reduce their effectiveness. This was way back at the start of CHS development. Recently, after hearing that the Max Load value may not be used, except for determining base size for effective operation of the aircraft, I went and changed them back to the stock values (and then forgot I did it!). So the values are the same in CHS and stock now (although I have yet to verify that all the aircraft valules are OK).
Andrew
RE: Important CHS announcement
Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 6:17 am
by racndoc
I went back and compared just a few bombers between Stock Scenario 15 and CHS 2.04.
Here are just a few comparisons for max load at normal range:
B-17E stock: 12x500lb.....B-17E CHS 2.04: 6x500lb
LB-30 stock: 16x500lb.....LB-30: CHS 2.04: 5x500lb
B-25C stock: 6x500lb......B-25C: CHS 2.04:4x500lb
B-29 stock: 40x500lb.....B-29: CHS 2.04: 24x500lb
RE: Important CHS announcement
Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 6:33 am
by Andrew Brown
ORIGINAL: AdmSpruance
I went back and compared just a few bombers between Stock Scenario 15 and CHS 2.04.
Here are just a few comparisons for max load at normal range:
B-17E stock: 12x500lb.....B-17E CHS 2.04: 6x500lb
LB-30 stock: 16x500lb.....LB-30: CHS 2.04: 5x500lb
B-25C stock: 6x500lb......B-25C: CHS 2.04:4x500lb
B-29 stock: 40x500lb.....B-29: CHS 2.04: 24x500lb
Those are weapon loadouts, not "max load". Max load is a single number for the aircraft type. For example, the value for the B-29 is 20,000. In the old CHS it was 14,000. This is the number that is apparently used to calculate required base sizes, and is not used for anything else.
Andrew
RE: Important CHS announcement
Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 8:46 am
by Ron Saueracker
ORIGINAL: Nomad
ORIGINAL: Ron Saueracker
I officially retire any games I have if my opponents are so willing.
?????????????????????????
If that is what you want, I have scrapped my first turn. [:(]
Boy of boy, can't even whine anymore.[;)] I really need to remember to use the emoticons when I drop one of these babies.[X(]
RE: Important CHS announcement
Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 9:04 am
by Ron Saueracker
ORIGINAL: Andrew Brown
ORIGINAL: Ron Saueracker
ORIGINAL: Ron Saueracker
Now I'm really confused. [X(] Can't we just take the twat who is responsible for the crud-editor and beat some sense into him until his paid for house is suddenly an empty lot?
Seriously...this is three years and counting. I should have become a programmer so I could sell my useless efforts for a profit.[:@] Must be nice....[8|]
This has nothing to do with the editor, Ron. This is about the "Max Load" values for aircraft. Lemurs originally decreased these values for 4E bombers, in an attempt to reduce their effectiveness. This was way back at the start of CHS development. Recently, after hearing that the Max Load value may not be used, except for determining base size for effective operation of the aircraft, I went and changed them back to the stock values (and then forgot I did it!). So the values are the same in CHS and stock now (although I have yet to verify that all the aircraft valules are OK).
Andrew
Whoohoo[8D]
RE: Important CHS announcement
Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 11:43 am
by RevRick
ORIGINAL: Andrew Brown
ORIGINAL: AdmSpruance
I went back and compared just a few bombers between Stock Scenario 15 and CHS 2.04.
Here are just a few comparisons for max load at normal range:
B-17E stock: 12x500lb.....B-17E CHS 2.04: 6x500lb
LB-30 stock: 16x500lb.....LB-30: CHS 2.04: 5x500lb
B-25C stock: 6x500lb......B-25C: CHS 2.04:4x500lb
B-29 stock: 40x500lb.....B-29: CHS 2.04: 24x500lb
Those are weapon loadouts, not "max load". Max load is a single number for the aircraft type. For example, the value for the B-29 is 20,000. In the old CHS it was 14,000. This is the number that is apparently used to calculate required base sizes, and is not used for anything else.
Andrew
Is it all right for those of us who are flamed about those &!%*$#@%%^ (%$%*&++ Betties carrying 200 torpedos a day halfway across the Pacific to increase the load outs for some semblance of revenge?????????????? Maybe we can put at least a small dent in Rabaul for the insane IJA favor of that nonsense!
RE: Important CHS announcement
Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 12:00 pm
by worr
ORIGINAL: Andrew Brown
I have just received a message from another forum member regarding maximum bomb loads for aircraft, that confirms that it is only used for airfield size calculation for aircraft, and nothing else. That means that many of the max bombload figures in CHS - originally modified to affect the effectiveness of heavy bombers in the game, I believe - are too low and should be increased back to the values used in the standard game.
I will soon - in the next day or two - issue another update to CHS that includes these changes (as well as the usual collection of minor fixes that are still being reported).
Andrew
So is the above still true?
Are you going to change something?