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i know that early japanese radar type doesn't work
question is which type works ?
if any ?

type 13 i think... the Type 13, which was an air-search radar, is defined in the game as a surface-search radar..

Correct. My god Pauk you do know something then[:'(]

That was one of the questions I asked a week or two ago -

But more to the point, I didn't think the game distinguished between air search and surface search radars - only surface vs airborne radars (for use in aircraft)?[&:]

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ORIGINAL: pauk

type 13 i think... the Type 13, which was an air-search radar, is defined in the game as a surface-search radar..

so type 13 has problems and 21 and 22 are ok ?

Yes AFAIK

that is how i see things...

don't know anything about what B said...

ORIGINAL: pauk

that is how i see things...

don't know anything about what B said...

I think the Database only defines radars as "surface radar" (such as SCR270 and XCAM) and "aircraft radar".. which will be mounted in aircraft, and thereby are "airborne radar".

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hmm.... i know that air radars helps against air raids, allowing early warning and thus more planes on CAP - at least i have been told so....

Yeah, and when Jap BFs get their sound detectors "upgraded" to Type13s, Jap bases get less CAP then before, so more planes left to be bombed to smitherine

ORIGINAL: pauk

type 13 i think... the Type 13, which was an air-search radar, is defined in the game as a surface-search radar..

Ok, had time to look this up. There is nothing wrong with Japanese Type 13 RADAR.
It is defined as surface radar - but virtually ALL radar is surface radar in the game - except those designated as aircraft radar...which is only meant to be carried aboard aircraft.

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My understanding is that NO aircraft cary radar in game that works as intended, for surface search, that is for use in detecting ships/subs.
 
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ORIGINAL: Brady

My understanding is that NO aircraft cary radar in game that works as intended, for surface search, that is for use in detecting ships/subs.

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Well, all I can tell you is that again, every RADAR that is an air-search radar (like SCR270 or XCAM, or even SC and SJ) is defined as surface radar.

Maybe NONE of them work - but they are all the same.

EDIT: So I suspect that the surface radar classification works as an air search radar for any unit so equiped. There is definately nothing different between Allied and Japanese radars on this matter.

B

My understanding is that the problem with the Type 13 is that they forgot to give it a penetration factor like the other radars for detecting aircraft. Thats why when a Jap BF upgrades from sound detectors to radar they get worse at raid detection since the sound detectors have a better penetration rating.

Radar (no matter what kind) that have no penetration value will not search for aircraft.

ORIGINAL: stonefoot

My understanding is that the problem with the Type 13 is that they forgot to give it a penetration factor like the other radars for detecting aircraft. Thats why when a Jap BF upgrades from sound detectors to radar they get worse at raid detection since the sound detectors have a better penetration rating.

ORIGINAL: Mynok


Radar (no matter what kind) that have no penetration value will not search for aircraft.

Well there you may well be correct - because a quick check revealed no penetration value for Japanes RADAR [&:]

Well your pleas have not fallen on deaf ears. In the soon to be posted "B Mod" all Japanese RADAR problems will be addressed [;)]

EDIT: Ok, which Japanese RADARS are supposed to be Air Search RADAR, and which, if any, are supposed to be surface search only RADAR - such as American SC RADAR?

Well, it looks like the only RADAR we are talking about here is Type 13, so....


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Referance:
 
 
http://www.combinedfleet.com/radar.htm

Penetration for radar is simply a flag. 0 means it detects surface units 500 means it detects air units.
The aircraft/surface classification only refers to where the radar is mounted. (Surface is on ships and LCU, air is aircraft).

There was a fix posted from michael that would update the database but it of course does not work on games in progress.

ORIGINAL: Feurer Krieg

Penetration for radar is simply a flag. 0 means it detects surface units 500 means it detects air units.
The aircraft/surface classification only refers to where the radar is mounted. (Surface is on ships and LCU, air is aircraft).

There was a fix posted from michael that would update the database but it of course does not work on games in progress.

Why is it so hard to update ongoing games? I just wonder.