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Posted: **Thu Oct 04, 2001 11:48 pm**

Dear all,

So anxious as i was to see that finally we had the new update released, so disappointed i was to notice that an relative important bug is still present.
(nevertheless note that everyone developing the update did also tremendous amount of good work)

It only seems to occur in a pbem game, THE thing we are wanting to do play for a whole while.
If you are in the planning phase, and you save and reopen the game (whihc usuallyu happens a few times before you are ready planning a turn), what happens is that the game runs the replacement/dig-in/readiness gaining routine again, so that every save, dug-in values increase,...The consequence is it is impossible to play 'honest' against any opponent.

The strange thing is, it can be corrected, because it doesn't happen in a normal game (non-pbem). There the bug seems corrected.
I was a bit surprised to see the bug still present because i remeber reporting it 6 months ago...

Playing a normal game with a human opponent as a possible solution is also not possible becuase:

Unfortunately also there is still a bug left in the calculation of the west and italian front HQs.
In the non-pbem game it calculates strengths without taking experience and readiness into account.
In the pbem game it calculates strengths correctly taking experience and readiness into account of these fronts.

So what now? I sincerely hope we can get the pbem fixed on a short time notice, is this possible?

Regards,
Christophe

Posted: **Fri Oct 05, 2001 12:22 pm**

Originally posted by cverbrug:
If you are in the planning phase, and you save and reopen the game, what happens is that the game runs the replacement/dig-in/readiness gaining routine again, so that every save, dug-in values increase.

I don't do PBEM, but as I understand things, it all depends on when you make the save. In other words the game can be played, but you need to make sure about when you save. Hopefully, someone who knows the details will step in here.

Yes, this bug has been around awhile and we know about it. It doesn't get a lot of attention right now, because there is a way to avoid it, but yes it is a bug and it will get fixed. *When* it gets fixed though is up to Arnaud.

Posted: **Sat Oct 06, 2001 9:33 am**

Originally posted by cverbrug:

...The consequence is it is impossible to play 'honest' against any opponent......

Cverbrug

What do you mean? I play every PBEM turn 'honest'
,you just do'nt save till after combat.
There are certain indicators that tell you if the other player is saving during his turn. A few gamers i no longer play against did the save during turn trick and i knew that they knew about the bug.
(one of them comes from the same town as Basil's waiter)

Nick

Posted: **Sat Oct 06, 2001 3:13 pm**

There are certain indicators that tell you if the other player is saving during his turn

What are these indicators?

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Posted: **Sat Oct 06, 2001 3:39 pm**

[QUOTE]Originally posted by cverbrug:
[QB]Dear all,

I am sorry to be misunderstood - i did not mean that saving during a turn would mean cheating, i just mean, planning a whole turn is a LOT of work, i ususally take 30 min 2 or three evenings, so you need to save then, anyway,
sometimes you are OBLIGED to save (someone calls, you have to go, to eat, someone wnat to do someting else on the PC, ...) so this bug 'obliges' you to "cheat"...

What i wanted to achieve is a hint on how to save the game during a turn, without "cheating"?

Posted: **Sat Oct 06, 2001 5:03 pm**

Originally posted by cverbrug:

Originally posted by cverbrug:
[QB]Dear all,
I am sorry to be misunderstood - i did not mean that saving during a turn would mean cheating, i just mean, planning a whole turn is a LOT of work, i ususally take 30 min 2 or three evenings, so you need to save then, anyway,
sometimes you are OBLIGED to save (someone calls, you have to go, to eat, someone wnat to do someting else on the PC, ...) so this bug 'obliges' you to "cheat"...
What i wanted to achieve is a hint on how to save the game during a turn, without "cheating"?
Cverbrug & Muzrub

Ok, it's not possible for you personally to play without saving. I am the sole user(but for my darling daughter) of my machine and make sure i'm not interupted (WiRus interuptus?) while i play. Also 20 years of wargaming (8 on PC's) have turned me into a bit of a speed demon, thus i have no trouble doing a turn in one shot.

The indicators
1:The main one is your air units. If, say, playing as the german you recieve a turn and your air units seem to have repaired twice as many aircraft as they normally would ..Well, that can be caused by only one thing. If you manage air very closely each turn(as i do) these things stand out at first glance. (If your air units have no damaged aircraft for you to see this effect,as axis,then give up now,there is no hope for you)
2:Also for every save prior to AUG(17 i think?)1942 the hardwired start of the Allied bombing campaign moves forward one turn.
3:Also no battle report will be available in utills for you to see what happened during his turn even if there was obviously combat on the map.
Points 1 and 3 seen together are a dead givaway.

Nick

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Importan BUG still present

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