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Apparently the Finns had bought and then license-built a number of Dutch-made Fokker D.XXI's which they used against the Soviets with considerable success. I'm not sure if this is the Fokker we see in WIR, but I think so because it was assigned to the Finnish Air Force in v1.0.

The introduction of the Mixed Figher is all very well, but given that the Fokker remains in the OOB, I don't see why it should not be assigned to at least one Finnish air group in the -41 setup. And they could have a Fokker factory in Helsinki.
It would give the Russians something to bomb there.

Originally posted by Yogi Yohan:
Apparently the Finns had bought and then license-built a number of Dutch-made Fokker D.XXI's which they used against the Soviets with considerable success. I'm not sure if this is the Fokker we see in WIR, but I think so because it was assigned to the Finnish Air Force in v1.0.

The introduction of the Mixed Figher is all very well, but given that the Fokker remains in the OOB, I don't see why it should not be assigned to at least one Finnish air group in the -41 setup. And they could have a Fokker factory in Helsinki.
It would give the Russians something to bomb there.

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This is because the Finns flew a lot of other aircraft too, ones that were better than the Fokkers, so they get the Mixed Fighters, whose stats are a little better than the Fokker. The same is true for the other minor allies, they all had a mixed inventory of planes.

[ October 25, 2001: Message edited by: Ed Cogburn ]</p>

Originally posted by Ed Cogburn:

This is because the Finns flew a lot of other aircraft too, ones that were better than the Fokkers, so they get the Mixed Fighters, whose stats are a little better than the Fokker. The same is true for the other minor allies, they all had a mixed inventory of planes.

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I understand this, but then we could simply drop the Fokker. I'd like to have it replaced with the IAR-80 Rumanian fighter that was produced (and remained somewhat competitve) throughout the war. It seems a waste to dedicate a slot for a plane that will not be used and that has been included in the Mixed Fighters anyway.

Originally posted by Yogi Yohan:


I understand this, but then we could simply drop the Fokker. I'd like to have it replaced with the IAR-80 Rumanian fighter that was produced (and remained somewhat competitve) throughout the war. It seems a waste to dedicate a slot for a plane that will not be used and that has been included in the Mixed Fighters anyway.

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I see, yes. I don't know why the Fokker was kept. I'll put this on the issues list. What are the characteristics for the Rumanian fighter?

[ October 26, 2001: Message edited by: Ed Cogburn ]</p>

I have some data on the IAR 80...its from a Rand McNally book on WWII Airplanes....it entered service in early 1942...it was heavily armed with four 7.7mm machine guns and two 20-mm cannons in the wings. It could carry 220 lbs of bombs. About 120 were built. Its top speed was 317 mph at 13k its range was 590miles...I've read there was a IAR 82 but I may be mistaken...from what I've read I would say its performance would be equivelent to the ME-109E

The Romanian AF was maily equipped with German and Italian A/C..such as the SM 79 or ME 109

The IAR 80 existed in a number of versions, and originally it was rather lightly armed, with 4 cal 7,62 MGs. It was very maneuvrable but a bit on the slow side, and would definitely not be among the "überplanes" of WIR.

There are articles about it at The IAR 80 Story and Stürmvogel.

I used the following in my aircraft rework;
AC 18, Cannon 4, Load 2, Range 11, Durability 20

The stats I got for it (from the former page) are;

Specifications
Engine K14-1000a 14 cylinder air-cooled double-row radial, rated at 1000 hp.
Powerplant similar in design to Gnome-Rhone.
Construction Cantilever low-winged monoplane with semi-monocoque rear fuselage and welded steel tube forward and center sections.
Maximum Speed 317 MPH {510 KmH} at 13,000 ft. {4000m}
Climb to 1000m 1 minute 20 seconds
Climb to 4000m 5 minutes 40 seconds
Range 940 km
Dimensions Wingspan: Given as 10-10.7m {32 ft 1 in}
Length: 8.9m {32 ft}
Height: 3.6m {11ft 10in}
Wing Area: 16 square meters
Weight Unloaded: 1780kg
Loaded: 2250 kg {5040 lb}
Armament IAR-80: 4 to 6 Browning FN 7.92mm Machine Guns, or 4 Browning FN 7.92mm Machine Guns and 2 Browning FN 13.2mm Machine Guns.
IAR-81: 6 Browning FN 7.92mm Machine Guns or 4 Brownings and 2 Mauser {or Ikaria} 20mm Cannons.
Ceiling 10500m {34500 ft}
Variants IAR-80 4 FN 7.92 guns in wings-50 built
IAR-80a 6 FN 7.92 guns-90 built
IAR-80b 4 FN 7.92 guns, 2 13.2mm cannon, new radio gea-31 built
IAR-81 6 FN 7.92 guns, 1 250kg {550 lb} C/L 4 50 kg. {110 lb} U/L-50 built
IAR-81a 4 FN 7.92 guns, 2 13.2 1 250kg {550 lb} C/L 4 50 kg. {110 lb} U/W-29 built
IAR-81b 2 20mm Oerlikon {MG FF}, 4 FN 7.92 2 drop tanks-50 built
IAR-81c 4 FN 7.92 guns, 2 20mm. Mauser MG 151 wing hard points-38 built
IAR-80 D.C. Two-seat trainer, used until 1952

Number Built 170 80's
176 81's

[ October 30, 2001: Message edited by: Yogi Yohan ]</p>