Mother Russia

[Peter Stauffenberg]

ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets

Yes, add Ulan-Ude.

I agree too that Ulan Ude is added to the map. Froonp, can you show a screenshot how it looks in the Ulan Ude / Chita region with Ulan Ude added?

[Froonp]

ORIGINAL: Borger Borgersen

ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets
Yes, add Ulan-Ude.

I agree too that Ulan Ude is added to the map. Froonp, can you show a screenshot how it looks in the Ulan Ude / Chita region with Ulan Ude added?

Here is it.

[Froonp]

Here is the part east of it.

[Froonp]

And here is the part west of it.

[Froonp]

And for good measure, here is the same area in WiF FE.

[Incy]

Did someone do some sort of research on the soviet resource near manchuria border?
In WiF, this resouce was in supply from Chita in clear weather. It's also 1 hex away from where the railroad crosses the border.
But in MWiF, it's now 5 hexes from Chita, the nearest city. That makes it much more difficult/dangerous to defend the resurce for russia.

Incy

[Froonp]

ORIGINAL: Incy
Did someone do some sort of research on the soviet resource near manchuria border?
In WiF, this resouce was in supply from Chita in clear weather. It's also 1 hex away from where the railroad crosses the border.
But in MWiF, it's now 5 hexes from Chita, the nearest city. That makes it much more difficult/dangerous to defend the resurce for russia.
Incy

I made a little researches.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chita_Oblast
It says that "the oblast is rich in ferrous, non-ferrous, rare, and precious metals, coal, charcoal, and mineral waters. Russia's estimated reserves of ores with a high uranium content are 145,400 tons. Most of these deposits are located in Chita Oblast, near Krasnokamensk, site of the Priargunskiy Mining and Chemical Combine (PMCC).[2] Forests cover about 60% of its territory. As a result, the oblast's main industries are metallurgy, fuel, and timber. It also has advanced light and food industries. Local agriculture focuses on cattle, sheep, and reindeer breeding."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krasnokame ... ita_Oblast

So I think that the RP of the MWiF map may well be intended to be Krasnokamensk. Moreover, Krasnokamensk is at the position where the RP was put on the MWiF map.

[Froonp]

ORIGINAL: Incy
Did someone do some sort of research on the soviet resource near manchuria border?
In WiF, this resouce was in supply from Chita in clear weather. It's also 1 hex away from where the railroad crosses the border.
But in MWiF, it's now 5 hexes from Chita, the nearest city. That makes it much more difficult/dangerous to defend the resurce for russia.
Incy

I also have this map (from 1935) that show Iron Ore deposits, in the area of Krasnokamensk (the black square north or the city named Manchuria on this map -- but whose real name is (was) Manchouli)

This resource is about 30 miles from the Chinese border, so I think that the RP that MwiF map show here is at the right place on the map, and that I can label it Krasnokamensk.

[Peter Stauffenberg]

ORIGINAL: Froonp
This resource is about 30 miles from the Chinese border, so I think that the RP that MwiF map show here is at the right place on the map, and that I can label it Krasnokamensk.

I agree with you about this. I'm not too afraid of any possible problems for the Russian player to protect this resource. It's far away from Japan and if they reach as far as this resource then Russia is in big problems anyway.

[Shannon V. OKeets]

Here are the revised bitmaps (from Rob) for Lake Khanka and thereabouts.

[Froonp]

About the oil resource that MWiF has in Alaska, USA :

ORIGINAL: Froonp
I did some research to find out where the oil depected here is coming from :

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From http://kodiakisland.net/timeline.html :

1890 First oil claims are staked in Cook Inlet.

1902 First oil production in Alaska.

1957 Atlantic Richfield discovers oil at Swanson River on the Kenai Peninsula, beginning Alaska's modern oil era. The Swanson River field on the Kenai Peninsula was the first commercial production site for oil and gas in Alaska's modern oil era. During the next ten years, additional oil fields are discovered offshore in nearby Cook Inlet and production platforms are installed to bring production on-line for the Middle Ground shoal field, the Granite Point field, the MacArthur River field and the Trading Bay field. By 1968, the Cook Inlet is producing nearly 200,000 barrels per day, and the income generated by oil production in Alaska is contributing more than 20% of the state government's total revenues.

1958 Congress passes Alaska Statehood Act conveying ownership of 104 million acres.

1959 Alaska is admitted to the Union as the 49th state, and William A. Egan becomes Alaska's first governor. Sitka pulp mill opens. State revenues: $25.4 million. British Petroleum begins to explore for oil on Alaska's North Slope.

1960 Amoco finds offshore oil in Cook Inlet.
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I said nothing for the moment, but I'll check if this oil is an EXTRA oil from the WiF game, or if it is an existing USA oil that has been relocated here.
I think I'll advocate getting rid of it, if it is an extra oil, as my research do not show that it was a source of oil during WWII.

Opinions ?

I've counted the Oil resources in MWiF, and the USA have 18 oil resources, 17 in the USA proper and 1 in Alaska (I know, Alaska is also the USA proper, but this was to differenciate).
- WiF FE has the USA having 17 oil resources.
- MWiF have the USA having 18 oil resources.

Having 18 oil resources is pretty much historical, and having 1 in Alaska is pretty much historical too, though it may be argued that the Alaskan oil production may have been too low during WWII to warrant 1 oil resource being placed there.
Also, this "extra" oil resource is not linked to the USA railway network, so CP need to be placed at sea to ship it at home (1 CP in the Gulf of Alaska to ship it to Vancouver, Canada).

So, what should we do ?
- Should this "extra" oil resource be deleted ?
- Should this "extra" oil resource be kept, as a sign from ADG (this is ADG who placed this oil resource on the map in the CWiF days, not me, nor Steve, nor Matrix) that they would have wished for it to be there, in the ever improving world of WiFFE) ?

Steve, do you think you could ask Harry ?

[Shannon V. OKeets]

ORIGINAL: Froonp

About the oil resource that MWiF has in Alaska, USA :

ORIGINAL: Froonp
I did some research to find out where the oil depected here is coming from :

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From http://kodiakisland.net/timeline.html :

1890 First oil claims are staked in Cook Inlet.

1902 First oil production in Alaska.

1957 Atlantic Richfield discovers oil at Swanson River on the Kenai Peninsula, beginning Alaska's modern oil era. The Swanson River field on the Kenai Peninsula was the first commercial production site for oil and gas in Alaska's modern oil era. During the next ten years, additional oil fields are discovered offshore in nearby Cook Inlet and production platforms are installed to bring production on-line for the Middle Ground shoal field, the Granite Point field, the MacArthur River field and the Trading Bay field. By 1968, the Cook Inlet is producing nearly 200,000 barrels per day, and the income generated by oil production in Alaska is contributing more than 20% of the state government's total revenues.

1958 Congress passes Alaska Statehood Act conveying ownership of 104 million acres.

1959 Alaska is admitted to the Union as the 49th state, and William A. Egan becomes Alaska's first governor. Sitka pulp mill opens. State revenues: $25.4 million. British Petroleum begins to explore for oil on Alaska's North Slope.

1960 Amoco finds offshore oil in Cook Inlet.
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I said nothing for the moment, but I'll check if this oil is an EXTRA oil from the WiF game, or if it is an existing USA oil that has been relocated here.
I think I'll advocate getting rid of it, if it is an extra oil, as my research do not show that it was a source of oil during WWII.

Opinions ?

I've counted the Oil resources in MWiF, and the USA have 18 oil resources, 17 in the USA proper and 1 in Alaska (I know, Alaska is also the USA proper, but this was to differenciate).
- WiF FE has the USA having 17 oil resources.
- MWiF have the USA having 18 oil resources.

Having 18 oil resources is pretty much historical, and having 1 in Alaska is pretty much historical too, though it may be argued that the Alaskan oil production may have been too low during WWII to warrant 1 oil resource being placed there.
Also, this "extra" oil resource is not linked to the USA railway network, so CP need to be placed at sea to ship it at home (1 CP in the Gulf of Alaska to ship it to Vancouver, Canada).

So, what should we do ?
- Should this "extra" oil resource be deleted ?
- Should this "extra" oil resource be kept, as a sign from ADG (this is ADG who placed this oil resource on the map in the CWiF days, not me, nor Steve, nor Matrix) that they would have wished for it to be there, in the ever improving world of WiFFE) ?

Steve, do you think you could ask Harry ?

It doesn't matter to me whether the oil is included or not. Since it is in the CSV files for terrain, it would be easy for players to modify either way if they felt passionately about it.

Please ask Harry as part of the list, so we can forestall questions from players who buy the product with "Harry said ... ".

[trees]

Harry suggested a long time ago that the best way players could 'balance' World in Flames to their tastes was to add or subtract resources to the USA...

[Froonp]

Would someone know the names of the places where those 2 russian resources are ?
Borger, isn't your wife from Siberia ?