[FIXED B483] CMANO fails to start repeatedly AFTER prereq install

[Dimitris]

Okay, this tweaked exe has gathered some positive feedback: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B205vp ... sp=sharing
Please give it a go and let us know if it's working for you. Thanks!

[Diver369]

Tested several times. Works for me. Thanks

[RoryAndersonCDT]

ORIGINAL: Diver369

Tested several times. Works for me. Thanks

Great news!!!! [:D] It works for me too!

[rochrist]

I appear to be getting about a 50 percent success rate as to whether it runs or not.

[zacklaws]

Just tried it, in 20 attempts to run it, it only ran on the third attempt, all the other times it failed.

[Phoenix100]

Tried it 15 times. Not one start. Had the D3d error box about five times. So, this one doesn't work for me. Will revert to the original exe.

Many thanks for all the hard work you're putting in, however, Sunburn. It's very much appreciated, and I'm confident you'll find something to fix this. When I manage to get it working I have to say the game is great - and, in my opinion, very much improved from the release version. There's masses of stuff to learn, all enjoyable, and I'm keen to do so. This issue makes me grit my teeth. I sympathise with your problems - what you have put together is a big game, with masses of complicated functionality, and since you're trying as much as possible to mimic real life, it was always going to be an uphill struggle to produce a release that people would be happy with, as it's more or less a never-ending project to continually refine the responses to newly reported situations. I just hope the pace of development eases off a bit, otherwise you're all going to burn out. The support provided in these first few months has certainly been without equal, in that respect. Thanks again.

[Renato]

This doesn't work for me.

[Dimitris]

ORIGINAL: Renato
This doesn't work for me.

Please provide more details. Does it never run? Does it run intermittently? Any error messages?

Help us help you.

[zacklaws]

Retried it again, opened the first time, failed the second time but on this occasion I got my first error message. Cannot remeber though how to insert a screenshot.

But then, I discovered that if I double click on "Play" in the menu, as fast as I can, I get an almost 100% chance of it opening and its now only the odd occasion that it fails to open. Which is a bit similar to yesterday on occasions when I was finding it would open on alternative attempts.

This is with DX Fix 4 and the original Command.exe.config (dated 08/08/2010)

I've rechecked it over and over again, single click on play and it fails mostly, a double click and opens virtually every time with just the odd fail. The double click must occur though before the picture of a ship firing appears else you cannot do it.

[Phoenix100]

What's DX fix 4, zack?

Wow! I went back to my original exe and config (the 1.2 patch) and tried your click fix. Incredible. Opens almost every time! Doesn't matter how many clicks - just keep clicking. Wonder if the Logitech software interferes?

[zacklaws]

Its the tweaked exe file which Sunburn released last night and is mentioned in an earlier posting on this page to download and try. I presume its the one which you have refered to earlier and it failed 15 times. If it is not that file that you was refering to then you may be confusing issues by not stating what exe file you were using as others may also beleive that it was the new tweaked exe file.

[Phoenix100]

OK. this is incredible. Hats off to you, zacklaws. I'm using none of Sunburn's tweaks - just the normal game files, the normal .exe and the normal config, because the tweak, as you say, worked worse for me. But if I click multiple times and just keep clicking rapidly, right through to when the Commend box appears then it open every time. Will keep trying, in case I speak too soon. I unchecked everything to do with Logitech in msconfig and that made no difference at all - still had to click multiple times very rapidly to get it to work. But I think everyone should try this. It gives some clues, at least, I hope, to those in the know, as to what might be going on.

[Phoenix100]

UPDATE: Click too many times and the entire computer freezes - requiring a hard re-start (press the button on the box, I mean). Three to four times is sufficient. BUT, it doesn't work first time I try this after a re-boot. But each time after that first fail, then, three to four quick left mouse clicks on the icon and it opens every time.

As I said, I'll keep testing.

EDIT: Correction - it does work after the reboot but you have to wait a bit longer before it opens up. When it works I find it opens within about 2 seconds. So I usually count to 10 and if it hasn't opened by then then I close it through shutting down the process in taskmanager. But you have to wait a little longer after a reboot for it to start (presumably other things are still loading).
So so far, three rapid clicks seem to work every single time.

[Phoenix100]

Yep. I can't get it NOT to start! Seriously, everyone should try this. Click as rapidly as possible 3 times on the .exe icon (not the icon that loads the matrix screen) - mine is pinned to the start menu and that's where I click. So far 100% success. Well done, Zack. Great discovery.

Not sure what it means, as to what's going on....

[RoryAndersonCDT]

I have Logitech hardware/software too.... Mouse, keyboard, usb headset, joystick...

[zacklaws]

I'm finding three clicks the optimum for 100% sucess, fails sometimes with two clicks and fails a bit more often with more than three clicks, but with three clicks it has not failed yet,(but I bet it will eventually)

After about twenty concurrent openings on three clicks, it finally failed a couple of times before I could reopen it again.

[Phoenix100]

Lol. Ditto, zacklaws. I enthused too soon, of course. Multiple no probs three click openings, then two failures. Maybe the click speed has to be JUST correct to interfere with whatever it interferes with....lol...it's like black magic. Not like programmed behaviour at all.

[Renato]

ORIGINAL: Sunburn

ORIGINAL: Renato
This doesn't work for me.

Please provide more details. Does it never run? Does it run intermittently? Any error messages?

Help us help you.

I did some tests.

Error:Unable to create the Direct3Dm_Device3d. : #15

Locked up : #3

Not started (without apparent activity) : #5

Started : #2

Statistically it's much worse for me.

Hope this will be useful.

[Phoenix100]

Try the triple click fix with the original .exe, Renato.

[Renato]

ORIGINAL: zacklaws

I'm finding three clicks the optimum for 100% sucess, fails sometimes with two clicks and fails a bit more often with more than three clicks, but with three clicks it has not failed yet,(but I bet it will eventually)

After about twenty concurrent openings on three clicks, it finally failed a couple of times before I could reopen it again.

Three clicks tests with the standard files (v1.02B480).

Started : #12

Locked up : #4

This is much better than usual. [:)]