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The Fall of Singapore

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So here it comes Japanese Shock attack at Singapore...4500 AVs against my badly shaped troops at my last stronghold in Malaya. At first assault the japs managed to get 2-1 and destroyed 2 forts...my losses are huge and i doubt we'll hold for another day...oh, well, that's was expected. It hurts but i can live with it. Problem is that this means he's gonna have a lot of troops ready within the next 5 days...[:(]

At Tricomale another RO class sub managed to hit one of my vassels...despite the ASW TF present at Tricomale and all my bombers and patrol crafts on naval search...[:(][:o]

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 01/09/42

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Sub attack near Trincomalee at 13,25

Japanese Ships
SS RO-34

Allied Ships
AK Thedens, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage[:(][:(][:(][:(][:@]

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Ground combat at Singapore

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 220214 troops, 1101 guns, 401 vehicles, Assault Value = 4418[X(][&o][&o]

Defending force 78832 troops, 524 guns, 4 vehicles, Assault Value = 1204

Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 4

Japanese max assault: 4398 - adjusted assault: 2303

Allied max defense: 1150 - adjusted defense: 944

Japanese assault odds: 2 to 1 (fort level 4)

Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 3


Japanese ground losses:
6746 casualties reported
Guns lost 110
Vehicles lost 26

Allied ground losses:
9214 casualties reported[X(][X(][X(][:(]
Guns lost 133
Vehicles lost 1




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I have a question about your ASW TF groups that are having trouble hitting subs around Ceylon.

I always have them undocked and set to Patrol/Do Not Retire. Are you doing this? Sometimes I've noticed that the ships will auto dock between turns.

I usually have pretty good results with UK and moderate results with the Indian vessels. I don't recall ever changing out leaders for these TFs but it might be something you can look at.

Another thought if you can spare the assets would be to include a couple ASW vessels in your transport groups. Your AKs might still get hit but you'll have a better chance at revenge with the escorts as part of the TF.
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I have a question about your ASW TF groups that are having trouble hitting subs around Ceylon.

I always have them undocked and set to Patrol/Do Not Retire. Are you doing this? Sometimes I've noticed that the ships will auto dock between turns.

I usually have pretty good results with UK and moderate results with the Indian vessels. I don't recall ever changing out leaders for these TFs but it might be something you can look at.

Another thought if you can spare the assets would be to include a couple ASW vessels in your transport groups. Your AKs might still get hit but you'll have a better chance at revenge with the escorts as part of the TF.


Yes, the ASW TF placed at Tricomalae is set as returning port on Colombo with "not not retire" option and undocked. Same for the one at Colombo....[&:]
Plus i have something like 100 planes between Madras and Colombo on Naval Search/ ASW...they spot them but they are unable to organize a decent offensive against those damned subs.... Now i moved in some more catalinas at 3000 ft. naval search...let's see if it helps[:o]
The point to include ASW vassels in my convoys in India is that i have very few ASW vassels there at the moment. I have 4 ASW indipendent groups (Colombo-Tricomale-Bombay and one who escorts the convoys between Karachi and Aden)...i cannot master anything more at the moment...[:o]

Wake become port number 2...few more weeks and Wake will be able to start a little bombing and sub campaign against the Marshalls...in the meanwhile i'm finding the troops i need for the task. 2 Eng regiments, 2 US divisions, 1 Marine division, 1 NZ bde and 1 RCT US unit. These will be joined by some 4 ART units, AAs, base forces and 2 marine CD units...should be enough.
The plan remains still: Tarawa and Maloeap first, while BBs and 4Es will take care of Kwalajein.
I won't understimate Maloaep anyway, so i'm planning to use BBs in my invasion TFs, along with the usual bombardment TFs.... as long as his main assets remain away my 4 CVs plus the 4Es from Wake should be enough to cover the landings.

We're up the the 10th of Jan 42...
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Ok guys, it seems we have a problem here.
KB springs up (do not know how it could arrive so close unseen having 100 bombers on naval search) south of Cylon and smashed my transports at Tricomale and Colombo, hitting both the port and the airfield. a group of P-40 and a group of sea Hurricanes (unlanded from a brit CV) were on Cap and managed to give some headhaces to his uncoordinated strikes. However the only AS and AR ship that i have in India were badly hit and sank the same day. All my bombers and topedo bombers were on naval search so we didn't even strike back[:@]...guess this was the trap of his subs that moved my attention on them forgetting about the risk...[:(]
Anyway, the problem here is another one.
My opponent is disappointed because he thinks that i was aware of his comming and so that i read (or somebody for me did) his AAR because he says my port defences at Colombo couldn't be like that if i didn't know he was comming( i guess he refers to the fact that i had my ships not combined in big convoys but in small ones).
I don't understand how he can think i was aware if all my best bomber assets were set on naval search and not naval attack...however this doesn't matter much. What i ask you from now on is not to post here anything you eventually read on his AAR (that, however, he's going to stop for these reasons)...
Anyway, i do not like these kinds of suspects and i'm quite displeased about this.
I would be tempted to tell my opponent to read this AAR, just to understand that none of you have ever said here anything about this raid, nor that any strategy about this was discussed here, but doing this i'll have to stop the whole game cause all my strategy is well written here (including all the fronts).
I also told him that here we discussed a lot about an invasion of India or Oz, but nothing that could involve a raid ...and however we started to discuss at the very first day of the war...but it seems that he's still on his thinking that my defences at Cylon were well aware of his comming and there's really nothing i can do.
 
 
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 01/10/42
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ASW attack near Trincomalee  at 13,25
 
Japanese Ships
SS I-164, hits 2
 
Allied Ships
PC Aldebaren
MSW Rampur
MSW Romney
SC Jasmine
SC Auricula
SC Freesia
 
Finally some hits....
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Day Air attack on Colombo , at 11,25
 
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 26
B5N2 Kate x 54
E7K2 Alf x 2
 
Allied aircraft
Sea Hurricane x 9
P-40E Warhawk x 19
 
Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 8 destroyed
B5N2 Kate: 12 destroyed, 30 damaged
 
Allied aircraft losses
Sea Hurricane: 5 destroyed
P-40E Warhawk: 1 destroyed, 3 damaged
 
Allied Ships
AK Edgar Luckenbach, Bomb hits 1,  on fire,  heavy damage
AK Coquina, Bomb hits 1,  on fire
 
 
Allied ground losses:
14 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
 
Port hits 2
Port supply hits 1
 
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Day Air attack on TF, near Colombo at 11,25
first uncoordinated strike
 
Japanese aircraft
D3A2 Val x 28
 
Allied aircraft
Sea Hurricane x 4
P-40E Warhawk x 18
 
Japanese aircraft losses
D3A2 Val: 2 destroyed
 
 
Allied Ships
AK F.J.Luckenbach, Bomb hits 20,  on fire,  heavy damage
 
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Day Air attack on TF, near Colombo at 11,25
 
Japanese aircraft
B5N2 Kate x 23
 
Allied aircraft
Sea Hurricane x 4
P-40E Warhawk x 18
 
Japanese aircraft losses
B5N2 Kate: 9 destroyed, 4 damaged
 
 
Allied Ships
AK Bonketoe, Torpedo hits 3,  on fire,  heavy damage
 
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Day Air attack on Trincomalee , at 13,25
 
another uncoordinated strike
 
Japanese aircraft
B5N2 Kate x 80
E7K2 Alf x 1
 
Allied aircraft
P-40E Warhawk x 12
 
Japanese aircraft losses
B5N2 Kate: 7 destroyed, 31 damaged
 
 
Allied Ships
AK Taiyuan, Bomb hits 2,  on fire,  heavy damage
AK Thedens, Bomb hits 2,  on fire,  heavy damage
AK Makassar, Bomb hits 2,  on fire,  heavy damage
 
 
Allied ground losses:
49 casualties reported
Guns lost 2
Vehicles lost 1
 
Port hits 7
 
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Day Air attack on Colombo , at 11,25
 
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 38
D3A2 Val x 67
B5N2 Kate x 83
E7K2 Alf x 1
 
Allied aircraft
Sea Hurricane x 2
P-40E Warhawk x 14
 
Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 2 destroyed
D3A2 Val: 7 destroyed, 39 damaged
B5N2 Kate: 8 destroyed, 24 damaged
 
Allied aircraft losses
Sea Hurricane: 2 destroyed
P-40E Warhawk: 1 destroyed, 7 damaged
Buffalo I: 3 destroyed
Fulmar: 2 destroyed
CW-22 Falcon: 1 destroyed
Swordfish: 1 destroyed
Albacore: 4 destroyed
 
If only those TB were on naval attack....[:(]
Luckly the other carrier-trained Albacore group is at Dacca along with the other 2 CV fulmar groups and the whole AVG (1st, 2nd and 3rd) so my best air assets aren't ruined here at Colombo...

Allied Ships
AP Talma, Bomb hits 3,  on fire,  heavy damage
AK Trieste, Bomb hits 1
AK Edgar Luckenbach, Bomb hits 1,  on fire,  heavy damage
AK Edward Luckenbach, Bomb hits 3,  on fire,  heavy damage
AK Coquina, Bomb hits 3,  on fire,  heavy damage
AS Lucia, Bomb hits 3,  on fire,  heavy damage *sinks*
AR Haitan, Bomb hits 3,  on fire,  heavy damage  *sinks*
 
 
Allied ground losses:
10 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
 
Airbase hits 11
Airbase supply hits 4
Runway hits 38
Port hits 4
 

 
As soon as i get from Trollelite the turn file i'll be able to tell how things really are...however i cannot say i'm glad to keep on playing after all these cheating accuses
 
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RE: The Fall of Singapore

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To be upfront trollelite and I have clashed on fanboy issues, but I'm not particularly surprised by his 'accusations'. He seems to be the type that would complain/bail if everything didn't work out his way. How many times has info ever been leaked on an aar on this forum? And he's stopping his own aar because of this nonexistent threat?

How many opening strategies does Japan really have? 5 or 6. Historical, China/Russia, India, Australia and PH. You can expect or rule out China and Russia pretty quickly by looking at your opponents setup. All the other areas have their own oobs and early on their ability to reinforce each in the first couple of months is limited. Why would he think your defense of Ceylon is evidence that you had inside info. Did he expect you not to defend it?

I don't know why I'm getting worked up about this. Good luck. [:)]
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The KB's first raid was actually a failure.
The 21th fighters group based at Colombo (average experience 56) managed to shot down 10 zeros and some more 40 between Vals and Kates (due to the uncoordinated strikes without air cover), losing only 9 planes.
What's amazing is that these guys were at 30% Cap, while they scrumble nearly all of their 20 planes!
More 40 japanese planes were shot down by the flak at Colombo and Tricomale.
I lost 30 planes, against his 90 crack pilots...a great result indeed. Yes, true, i lost a number of ships (one of which was an AR and another important AS) but the KB has been hurt and that's what does count.
Anyway, now there's another TF, spotted on Cylon's south coast which is probably a Bombardment TF heading towards Tricomale (NE). The Colombo AF is badly damaged but the Tricomale one isn't, so i moved in my Vitebsk TB and see if we can get some luck...
No other TFs are spotted, so i guess this isn't an invasion (the whole japanese Army is still at Singapore) but just a raid to catch my CVs in port probably (they are at Bombay along with the whole RN)...well, not for now however. The allarm is at maximum level in India. Every a/c group is moved on the central bases , in order to be able to react properly for a further upcoming possible invasion.
 
Not that this raid change anything for Oz. I consider the chance that this is a diversive for moving my attention to India, forgetting Oz...well,i won't do this mistake! I feel quite save however in Oz right now. A great TF with 10 air groups is moving from SF to Sydney and as soon as these a/c will arrive, Oz will be a fortress (Darwin and Perth are well fortified by now since i ordered on the very first turn the movements of some aus big infantry units).
 
 
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If Trollelite thinks that a raid on Sri Lanka was unforseeable then he really needs to re-examine his strategic assumptions. It was one of the obvious moves for him to make.
 
As I've said before I expect this game to be called when he suffers his first serious defeat --- which is a pity as I think he is probably a good player but he's stacking things too much in Japan's favour in terms of house rules IMO. He should win more through good play than through restrictive house rules ( and this same statement applies to an endless number of people who prefer to play as Allies too lest anyone think I'm picking favourites).
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Does your base force at Colombo have radar?

If so that might explain the good results in the A2A.

More discussion here has been on India, but I think it is a little more challenging to defend than Oz. Once Japan achieves a breakthrough on the continent the tempo picks up real fast. If one is not careful on defense they will be quickly surrounded and destroyed peacemeal. It has a lot of resources and HI which makes it a more attractive target.

This could be a diversion but why would one want to expose the KB to a powerful base a few days sailing from a friendly port?

You haven't mentioned any menace in the Solomons/Port Moresby area. If I was going for Oz, I would commit here as well as Darwin and Perth.
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Looks like you had just 2 squadrons on CAP over Colombo & 1 over Trincomalee. That's only prudent at this point in the game, if you're using those ports to any degree. I can't say I fully understand what the fuss is all about.

If you had advance knowledge of his moves you could have easily had at least 5x that amount of fighters on CAP. And - like you mentioned - lots of torpedo-bombers on naval attack.

It does seem like your opponent had very bad die rolls with all those uncoordinated attacks. Well, good luck with the game - this has been an interesting AAR.
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My opponent is disappointed because he thinks that i was aware of his comming and

Your opponent sounds very childish to me, perhaps he’s young and inexperienced and does not understand the insult he just gave. The fact your bombers did not get a strike off proves you had no idea he was coming, I'd demand an apology for the inference.

After hearing about this accusation, I have to agree with others, I think your first real success will see him quit on you, especially if you sink some of his CV's. I hope that's not the case.

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 01/11/42

My opponent complained again for the mines. Now the evidence that i know everything of this plan (which is however not so clear) is that i mined Tricomale.... i just answered that he'll find mines almost everywhere from Colombo to Chittagong for what that means...getting tired about all this crap.

However, a good turn today.
Seems that the raid at Cylon was just a raid. The real objective will probably be DH or Chittagong 'cause his KB and his SF TF are now moving eastwards. There's another unidentified TF following the KB...Trollelite in his mail named an "invasion"....i cannot see what he can bring right now to invade India being all his forces involved at Singapore...[&:] I'm still with the conviction that this is just a raid...cause as far as i'm concerned invading India without a good amount of troops isn't exactly the best thing to do...even if so early on the regular scheldue.
Anyway, i now moved some of my air assets.
48 4Es are now based at Madras, along with 24 AVG P-40Bs, 32 Buffalos and 10 Albacores and 12 Vitebsks.
At Colombo and Tricomale i didn't move anything: there remain the brave 21th fighter group (17 P-40Es) and 16 buffalos plus what remains of the seaHurricanes. Always there are based some 4 Swordfish and 7 Vitebsks.
At Dacca and Calcutta are based there rest of my best air-assets. 100 bombers, 140 fighters and the other albacores.
My land forces are well distributed in order to stop any possible landing. I've placed 300 AVs at Calcutta, 500 at Dacca, 100 at Vizagapatam(which is my weakest defensive point-because it's only a 1-1 base), 100 at Madras and some 600 between Bengalore and Hydebaran.
My subs have been dispatched from Calcutta and Madras and also those who were rescuing my last troops in northern sumatra (Bakkha) have been called back on duty and are now moving towards the KB.
His subs are moving on a possible route of interception to the RN, so to say from Cylon to Bombay.

Well, for the rest it's been a strane turn.
He sent 2 DDs (what are supposed to do 2 DDs alone????) at Tricomale in SF mission i guess. He got mauled by ducth VH2 mines and then, in the afternoon, by my Vitebsks placed at Tricomale. Both DDs are gone.
Then his KB made a raid against a ASW british TF which was fleeing from Tricomale. This TF was caught one hex south of Colombo and this time the 21th fighters group based there didn't scrumble at all...so no way of escaping for those poor vassels.
A ducth sub has been hit by Vals on naval search near Colombo.
Bad weather prevented any other air mission, but his ships were already too far away anyway.

At Mersing 5 of his MSWs were mauled by the 16''CD guns of Singapore...some strange things happen sometimes in witp[&:]
Singapore is really about to fall. Another 2-1 in japan's favour today...tomorrow it will be doomed.

At Truk SS Pollack made 3 different attempts to torpedo an enemy AP...for 3 times the torps got dude...[:@][:@][:@][:@]

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TF 42 encounters mine field at Trincomalee (13,25)

Japanese Ships
DD Wakaba, Mine hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DD Hatsushimo, Mine hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

[font="Verdana"]What were supposed to do these 2 vassels[/font]??[&:]

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Sub attack near Truk at 66,78

Japanese Ships
AP Kongo Maru

Allied Ships
SS Pollack

[font="Verdana"]1st attempt[/font]--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Sub attack near Truk at 66,78

Japanese Ships
AP Kinryu Maru

Allied Ships
SS Pollack

[font="Verdana"]second one...[/font]
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Sub attack near Truk at 66,78

Japanese Ships
AP Kiyosumi Maru

Allied Ships
SS Pollack


3rd one...grgrgrgrgr[:@][:@]
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TF 22 encounters mine field at Singapore (22,51) - Coastal Guns Fire Back![:D]

59 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Japanese Ships
MSW Rokko Maru
MSW Musashi Maru, Shell hits 6, on fire, heavy damage
MSW Hinode Maru #20, Shell hits 5, on fire, heavy damage
MSW Choun Maru #21, Shell hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
MSW Choun Maru #6, Shell hits 7, on fire, heavy damage
MSW Banshu Maru #56, Shell hits 9, on fire, heavy damage

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Day Air attack on TF at 15,26


Allied aircraft
Buffalo I x 9
Vildebeest IV x 9
P-40E Warhawk x 5


No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
DD Wakaba, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
DD Hatsushimo, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

[font="Verdana"]These are the same DDs that found the VH2 mines at Tricomale...[/font]
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Day Air attack on TF at 11,27

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 16
B5N2 Kate x 19

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
PC Aldebaren, Bomb hits 5, on fire, heavy damage
SC Jasmine, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
MSW Romney
MSW Rampur, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
SC Auricula

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Day Air attack on TF at 11,27

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 39
D3A2 Val x 4
B5N2 Kate x 21

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
PC Aldebaren, on fire, heavy damage
MSW Rampur, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
SC Freesia, Bomb hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
MSW Romney, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
SC Auricula, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

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Day Air attack on TF at 11,27

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 12
B5N2 Kate x 8

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
SC Jasmine, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
MSW Romney, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

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Day Air attack on TF at 11,27

Japanese aircraft
B5N2 Kate x 9

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
SC Freesia, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
SC Auricula, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
PC Aldebaren, on fire, heavy damage



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Ground combat at Singapore

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 215885 troops, 982 guns, 379 vehicles, Assault Value = 4059

Defending force 69454 troops, 382 guns, 4 vehicles, Assault Value = 1037

Japanese max assault: 5422 - adjusted assault: 2128

Allied max defense: 1045 - adjusted defense: 932

Japanese assault odds: 2 to 1 (fort level 3)

Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 1


Japanese ground losses:
7486 casualties reported
Guns lost 53
Vehicles lost 25

Allied ground losses:
6283 casualties reported
Guns lost 104
Vehicles lost 2





In China i made a huge mistake. I let a way open for his trapped units at Ichang...now supplies are flowing in again and they can abbandon the place if they want so...my mistake was in calculating too optimistically the timing to march in the jungle for my fatigued chinese men....however Chinese plans do not change for the moment.

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Can't you transfer 4E bombers through Australia/DEI?

Hi String. Yes, i'm already trying to make the transfer through Clark Fields but it takes some time because of the fatigue that these unexperienced guys accumulate in these long transfers...however i only have 24 4Es in Oz, so they won't make any real difference, also because we have the HR that says "no 4Es below 15,000 ft."
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If Trollelite thinks that a raid on Sri Lanka was unforseeable then he really needs to re-examine his strategic assumptions. It was one of the obvious moves for him to make.

As I've said before I expect this game to be called when he suffers his first serious defeat --- which is a pity as I think he is probably a good player but he's stacking things too much in Japan's favour in terms of house rules IMO. He should win more through good play than through restrictive house rules ( and this same statement applies to an endless number of people who prefer to play as Allies too lest anyone think I'm picking favourites).

Well, maybe a "raid" (if that's what it will show to be) wasn't so expected, but me, as a japanese player, i'd always go for India if by the end of 1941 i had taken the whole SRA-DEI. Since the very first day of the war we've been discussing here of the chances to defend India by an early invasion and the plans to defend India...
Anyway, i really hope he's not going to quit as you say cause i'm enjoing a lot this game, which is very challenging...would be a pity
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Does your base force at Colombo have radar?

If so that might explain the good results in the A2A.

More discussion here has been on India, but I think it is a little more challenging to defend than Oz. Once Japan achieves a breakthrough on the continent the tempo picks up real fast. If one is not careful on defense they will be quickly surrounded and destroyed peacemeal. It has a lot of resources and HI which makes it a more attractive target.

This could be a diversion but why would one want to expose the KB to a powerful base a few days sailing from a friendly port?

You haven't mentioned any menace in the Solomons/Port Moresby area. If I was going for Oz, I would commit here as well as Darwin and Perth.

mmm...i think (but i didn't check) that Colombo base force just has a sound detector...but i'll check.

For what concerns the solomons...no, there's no threat there at the moment. He moved during the first days of war a single AP loaded with a NLF unit to grab gili gili, Lungaville and Noumac...but he just jumped in, conquered the base and moved away...so there are no troops there, nor planes. Only Rabaul seems well fortified, but nothing south of it...
I moved some supplies and fuel at Suva, just to be sure and my pacific fleet remains at PH, at full ranks, just ready to operate...so i'm quite easy on this front. Plans remain the same: Marshalls
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My opponent is disappointed because he thinks that i was aware of his comming and

Your opponent sounds very childish to me, perhaps he’s young and inexperienced and does not understand the insult he just gave. The fact your bombers did not get a strike off proves you had no idea he was coming, I'd demand an apology for the inference.

After hearing about this accusation, I have to agree with others, I think your first real success will see him quit on you, especially if you sink some of his CV's. I hope that's not the case.

Jim

Well Jim, i can live with those accusations. In a certain way it's part of the sportmanship to be able to understand these accusations.
I hope these complaints will be put apart soon and we can keep on playing and forgetting everything about this sour episode
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Can't you transfer 4E bombers through Australia/DEI?

Hi String. Yes, i'm already trying to make the transfer through Clark Fields but it takes some time because of the fatigue that these unexperienced guys accumulate in these long transfers...however i only have 24 4Es in Oz, so they won't make any real difference, also because we have the HR that says "no 4Es below 15,000 ft."

Why through clark field? All of the 4E's were quite capable for transferring through smaller airfields as well.
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TenChiMato
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RE: The Fall of Singapore

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I definitely agree with Nemo, a KB-strike against India followed by an all-out invasion was definitely an obvious move especially considering the way he has been playing so far.

As for the forces he can bring at first; taking a look at the IJA troops fighting in Singapore right now, I see two Divisions usually assigned to the 25th Army missing : the 5th and 18th
Also we know the 16th and 48th Division were in Java but these will have to take some rest before being sent back into action, so imo you can expect a first wave of 2-3 Division perhaps strengthened by some SNLFs and other assets he could spare from his two main thrust against Java and Singapore.

2-3 Div cannot take India and even with fast transports (assuming he concentrated everything) it will take a week to bring back more sizeable forces. Also he lost quite a lot of airplanes attacking Singapore. He relies two much on KB for air support for this operation imo, you can severly attrit him here and each AP transport sunk or crippled there will cost him dearly for he needs them to bring in reinforcement very very fast (most certainly why he tried to clear Singapore minefields prematurely);

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RE: The Fall of Nanchang

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ORIGINAL: OSO


I know this works for the West Coast command. Change it to China or SE Asia and the subordinates appear elsewhere. The HQ needs to be in SF I believe.

I'm not sure about India/SE Asia command working in reverse. I haven't tried it.

The India HQ unit is already attached to SE Asia but it's subordinates are attached to India Command. They might appear in some weird place like Auckland, NZ. The reason I say this is because that is the default "return to base" option for ships stationed at Indian ports under India command. Ceylon is different. It is attached to SE Asia. The "return" to base option is Aden.

If I were playing the Japanese and planning on invading India, I wouldn't sail around Ceylon to grab Bombay or Karachi until it was secured. I think it would be too risky.

Are there any bases in the DEI that have a base force and an airfield under your control?
If so you could change the command of some B-17 groups to SE Asia and rebase them there. If not, maybe you could rebase via the northern route (HR permitting). Can B-17s reach China from Wake? That's another option.

I forgot what your naval attack rules are regarding B-17 but from my experience they will hit targets at 9000 feet altitude with experience in the 70s. You could always have them fly supply missions until their experience levels rise to acceptable levels.

If you can delay and hold out until May 42 you can then upgrade the UK aircraft into something more useful.

I wouldn't beat yourself up over the ABDA HQ units. They should still respawn but won't appear until Soerabaja is liberated. I found out by accident myself because I conducted a withdrawal from Java when things got too bad.

I like your option with the Marshall Islands. It is daring but if it pays off it could prove to be a good move. Just flying recon planes over the islands might make him hesitate with any of his plans.

Sorry for hijacking thread, but if i have understood this correctly does this mean if the West Coast HQ is changed to SEAC, fro example, all future reinforcements will appear in SEAC theatre? If thats the case isnt that gamey?

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RE: The Fall of Singapore

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 01/12/42

Yes, he's going for Cylon, not for DH or such. Yesterday was probably just a diversion in order to get his zeros back in action....well, they are back in action![:)]
He's approaching Tricomale with a great number of ships. The whole KB plus, i guess, his whole combined fleet (minus those BBs that were damaged at Singapore).
However my planes tried to hurt the KB, but there were nothing less than 266 zeros on CAP!!!![X(][X(][X(]...not even a single 4E managed to get trhough...losses are great...cannot calculate them right now cause i only got the reply, but my bombers at Madras are out of action for the moment...plus the number of 4Es in pool is very low, so i'll probably have to switch them to B-25 and B-26...

Tomorrow will probably start the naval bombardment of Tricomale. He has set his Vals and Kates only to naval search, not to waste other precious planes and pilots, so the zeros were only on CAP mission...gotta think now what to do. Tricomale is lightly defended...only the starting base force is present there and at Colombo there's only one light Indian Brigade...I cannot rely only on those 9.2 CD guns and on the mines placed there...if he remains with that Death Star CAP i think i won't be able to do much...however i'm gonna try!

the RN will be moving down from Bombay. I'm considering to sacrifice my CVs in order to force him to move his KB away from the transport fleet...that could be a trick...leaving the Transport and SC TFs without a decent CAP before Tricomale falls could be a winning point! But i have to avoid his subs on the western coast of India which are clearly looking for my ships...

Now my depleted bomber squadrons that were lost today will be moved back in other bases and i'll be moving in my reserves. It's gonna be fun and challenging!

The problem is that today singapore Fell, so he now has 4000 AVs to be brought to India...mmmm...i have to stop him on the shore. If i let him estabilish a foothold in India now, nothing is gonna stop him and i'll have to get back to Karachi and Aden...



At Truk...Pompano Sub got hit by good ASW TF, then his torp didn't detonate against a big japanese AP...and guess what? this AP fired 2 torpedoes against my sub which went down...[:(]




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ASW attack near Truk at 66,78

Japanese Ships
PC Takunan Maru #2
PC Shonon Maru #15
PC Toshi Maru #3
PG Seikai Maru
PG Nikkai Maru
PG Kyo Maru #8
PG Kogyoku Maru
PG Keijo Maru
PG Heijo Maru
PG Choko Maru #2

Allied Ships
SS Pompano, hits 4, on fire

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Sub attack near Truk at 66,78

Japanese Ships
AP Kongo Maru

Allied Ships
SS Pompano, heavy damage

Torp didn't detonate here....[:(]

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Sub attack near Truk at 66,78

Japanese Ships
AP Kinryu Maru

Allied Ships
SS Pompano, hits 1, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage *sinks*[:@][:(]

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Day Air attack on TF at 14,27

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 266

Allied aircraft
Buffalo I x 9
Vildebeest IV x 9
P-40E Warhawk x 5

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Buffalo I: 9 destroyed
Vildebeest IV: 9 destroyed
P-40E Warhawk: 5 destroyed

The first strike from Tricomale....
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Day Air attack on TF at 14,27

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 266

Allied aircraft
Buffalo I x 8
Blenheim IV x 10
Martin 139 x 10
Hudson I x 12
B-17D Fortress x 5
B-17E Fortress x 17
LB-30 Liberator x 4

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed, 72 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Buffalo I: 8 destroyed
Blenheim IV: 10 destroyed
Martin 139: 10 destroyed
Hudson I: 12 destroyed
B-17D Fortress: 3 destroyed
B-17E Fortress: 17 destroyed
LB-30 Liberator: 4 destroyed


OUCH!!!! nearly 80 planes lost today...this hurts!!!![:o]

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Day Air attack on TF at 14,27

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 265

Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 4 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
B-17E Fortress: 3 destroyed

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Day Air attack on TF at 14,27

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 265

Allied aircraft
LB-30 Liberator x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 6 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
LB-30 Liberator: 1 destroyed, 4 damaged



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Ground combat at Singapore

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 212123 troops, 918 guns, 409 vehicles, Assault Value = 3762

Defending force 62309 troops, 275 guns, 4 vehicles, Assault Value = 887

Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 0

Japanese max assault: 2685 - adjusted assault: 1206

Allied max defense: 849 - adjusted defense: 523

Japanese assault odds: 2 to 1 (fort level 0)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Singapore base !!!


Japanese ground losses:
4157 casualties reported
Guns lost 35
Vehicles lost 24

Allied ground losses:
41690 casualties reported
Guns lost 280

[:o] This was predicted...



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